Cards from the newest set will become available for crafting only after the release of the next set.
Cards from the newest set will become available for crafting only after the release of the next set. Starting from Theros Beyond Death, the cards from a new set will only become craftable after the release of the next set. This means that, as long as Theros Beyond Death is the newest set released in Standard, the cards from THB will not be available for crafting, until the release of the next collection.
VIP Booster Packs Changes
Once received, VIP Packs will only provide cards of that set.
Once received, VIP Packs will only provide cards of that set. VIP packs acquired during a current set will only contain cards from that given set. For example: if you receive a VIP pack while Theros Beyond Death is the newest set in Standard, that pack will only (and always) contain cards from THB. That pack content will not be updated with cards from the next set, when this is released. Instead, each set will have its own VIP packs.
Standard Packs Changes
Standard Packs will have the cards defined once given, and won’t update when new collections are released.
Standard Packs will have the cards defined once given, and won’t update when new collections are released. Standard packs will only contain cards from the Standard configuration of when they were received. For example: if you receive a Standard pack while GRN, RNA, WAR, M20 and ELD are the only sets in Standard, that pack will keep having cards only from those sets, even after the release of other collections, such as THB.
UPDATE
Hey Everyone,
Thank you for all your feedback. We are sorry about putting unnecessary pressure on the player community at this point. We agree that the announcement was rather on short notice and we apologize for creating discomfort.
VIP/Standard Booster
We have decided to postpone the change to the VIP/Standard Boosters to the 4.x release, when the next set after THB will be released.
This should give especially the veteran subscribers enough time to adapt to this change.
Thus cards from the upcoming set Theros Beyond Death will be part of the accumulated Boosters.
Starting from the release of the set after THB, newly acquired VIP/Standard Boosters will help your collection building efforts as usual. In other words, nothing changes as far as the Booster itself goes; just the timing window in which a collection will start showing up in them.
Booster Crafting
We will however maintain the change for when the former newest set is entering Booster Crafting.
This means THB will become available for crafting when the next set will be released. The price in Mana Orbs will be the same as any other Standard set.
Well I’m glad I kept the top-tier VIP status for the past several months to save up a bunch of packs that are now worthless.
It really feels dirty to have the contents of these packs changed for this set when we’ve been operating under the assumption that they would work for this set as they have for every set since VIP was introduced. This lowers my opinion of both the company and the game, and damages my trust in them. If this change had been announced a set out, that would have been one thing. This feels like a sudden bait & switch.
You guys are the freaking worst, you know that? Absolutely ridiculous. I can see already that this is a change aimed at increasing spending, and encouraging people to buy each new item on offer, but several of my coalition mates have already stated they’re done spending money specifically because of this announcement.
I think Klep and Matthew are trying to say that there should have been more advance notice about this - and maybe some deference to people with a stockpile who need a chance to get something from what they saved up. Like a grace period or something.
IF these pack changes are to take effect immediately as of the release of the new Theros set, it will be a HUGE kick in the nuts to VIP players who have subscribed and saved packs in anticipation of the new set. I can see a wave of players unsubscribing due to this…
So what will be our recompense for these highly restrictive new changes? The packs are already incredibly underwhelming and useless once the lion’s share of Common/Uncommons have been collected. Will a pity timer be in place? Maybe some decent rewards to shepard in some semblance that we are getting anything for or time and money invest in this “game”? $30 a month, for what 2VIP packs, 4 Standards… which will now be tied to a specific set and filled with lower rarity cards due to the change to crafting? This change past muster, how?
So what about the packs I already have received prior to this change? You know the packs that I subscribed for that I felt would be beneficial going forward… packs that weren’t sold as for that set only?
I accept the change going forward and can unsubscribe and stop spending money on the game- but I sure could do with knowing the answer to this
I have a great deal of patience and tolerance for changes and bugs and the like. But this is something that could legitimately make me quit. I have plenty of things to do that don’t involve me feeling ripped off and disrespected.
This is accurate, thank you for clarifying the intent behind my knee-jerk reaction of pure frustration. People have been spending money on this game. This move seems aimed at not only trying to increase spending, but to do so at the expense of those who have already been paying on the regular. That’s an awful feeling. I’ll be sure to make note of this sort of predatory behavior in some reviews.
Well I have cancelled my subscription. Why would I want more packs that will only contain dupes?!?
I’ll wait and see what happens with my current hoard, which was payed for in good faith.
Retroactively changing this is a very poor decision from the devs. and feels deceitful, considering that it is such a radical change from previous procedure.
@Oktagon_Support - could you elaborate why you didn’t communicate that there was discussion internally about this change? If you knew it would be unpopular (a fair assumption given you the wording in announcement) why would you spring the announcement like this?
I think they had to know this would be flat out unpopular when announced, so I’m not going to gripe about the changes that must have been absolutely necessary for the game economy.
It is very clear now what VIP subscription is worth, I can evaluate the future of my status accordingly.
BUT… you can’t change the contents of what We’ve already purchased… unless you are just trying to be jerks. I happen to believe you aren’t trying to be jerks, and you really need to tell us that you will honor stockpiles of VIP packs or Standard packs for the value that we purchased them, or compensate us appropriately.
And when I say “appropriately”, the packs I have saved will be combined with pack purchases to give me a complete set on release day.
My suggestion is to grant each player a one time opportunity to exchange a VIP or Standard pack for an equivalent number of new non dup cards from the new set. So if I have 15 packs saved, give me 75 non dup cards manually going though CS. This honors the past value of purchase, and transitions to the new system with a blank slate.
I’ll also add that I’ll likely continue my subscription in the event this is resolved fairly for existing stock. I can still get a complete set of cards with this investment, just a little bit later than I could previously, and that’s ok. It’s the only reason I am a VIP member.
The more sensible solution could be to implement the fixing of a given booster’s contents the set AFTER Theros Beyond Death. Punishing people who have had the discipline and force of will to carefully plan the timing of opening their boosters (non-dupe and otherwise) would be a hit to morale, particularly for well-paying veterans, who are the ones who keep this game profitable for you guys. Please reconsider these decisions while there is still time to do so!
So . . . if I have the legacy cards and all current standard cards why am I paying you $30/mo? For orbs that I can’t use to craft anything with?
If you think this is going to increase my spending, then you’ll be surprised to discover that my spending will be zero as I exit the game. Congrats on fooling me and everyone else who subbed.
There is some deep irony in this decision. As my coalitionmate put it: “They are literally burying their own game while trying to dig themselves out of the hole they made. VIP costs way too much, it was added at the same time event rewards were generally nerfed, coaliton events and coalitions as a whole are less appealing because of nerfed rewards… now they are hosing the very same VIPs and trying to squeeze all the non-payers”
Let’s not over react folks. Give them a chance to respond.
Also, they aren’t saying the new system will give dups… they are just saying that you will only earn non dup packs for a certain set. All this effectively does is move the point where your non dup packs can be most valuable from the release day to about 3 months later.
On release day of the next set, use orbs to fill in your rare and mythic gaps until your number of missing standard cards equals the number of cards in stored packs. Then use your stored VIP and standard packs to fill in and you are caught up.
The change is that the most recent set is just harder to accumulate until the next set. That’s it. This is probably a good thing for creating a more level competitive field for players with smaller collections.
As far as I can tell from reading the android play store terms. This is not allowable to be retroactive. If they make it such they are required to refund all money spent on the vip.
You can believe me if they do make it retroactive I will be requesting said refund for premium vip since it began.
I’m not giving them a pass on this one. $30/mo is already a large subscription fee for a game, and then tack on exclusives and it’s $400+ by the time each expansion rolls around. Sure, I don’t “have” to buy everything, but I am trying to support the game and not eat dupes for my efforts.
This isn’t okay. This game is already way overpriced.