# Championing. Worth the ISO? Seems to be! **URL:** \ **Category:** MPQ Character Discussion\ **Created:** [January 8, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420 "2016-01-08T09:49:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Nexus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dragon_nexus/32/6690_2.png) [@Dragon\_Nexus](https://forums.505go.com/u/Dragon_Nexus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/1 "2016-01-08T09:49:49Z")
A concern was that you’d sink more ISO into championing a character than you would be simply selling the covers and using the ISO for something else. Looking at OBW and ignoring all of the non-ISO rewards there are 22x 250 ISO rewards. 5500 ISO 4x 500 ISO rewards. 2000 ISO 10x 1000 ISO rewards. 10,000 ISO This makes a total of 17,500 ISO 50x 250 ISO is 12,500 ISO, plus the 5000 ISO fee makes 17,500. So you break even. However, in there is a load of HP, CP, covers and tokens that you get for free. So you don’t lose out. You get your investment back. 3\* ISO 44x 500 ISO rewards. 22,000 ISO 14x 1000 ISO rewards. 14,000 ISO 10x 1500 ISO rewards. 15,000 ISO 2x 2000 ISO rewards. 4,000 ISO 1x 2500 ISO reward. 2,500 ISO This makes a total of 57,500 ISO 100x 500 ISO is 50,000 ISO, plus the 7500 ISO fee makes 57,500. So you break even again. And once more you get HP, legendary tokens, 4\* covers and more for free. I hadn’t seen anyone else do the maths on this. I can’t imagine I’m the first, but I’ve made a topic dedicated to it anyway. It’s a long term investment, if you want to look at it that way, but you don’t lose out as many (myself included) feared you would. I figured you’d spend, say, 50k in cover ISO to get only 40k back plus some extra stuff, but you break even in both 2\* and 3\* land. I’m not advanced enough to calculate 4\* land yet, but I can’t imagine it’s any different. [Edit for 5\*] > [@DrLemniscate](#): > > 5\* totals > > 25 Legendary Tokens > 625 CP > 20,000 HP > 220,000 ISO-8 > > Looks like a net loss of 5k ISO. Initial champion cost of 25k and each cover is worth 2k. > > Rewards repeat in this order: Legendary Token, ISO, 25 CP, HP. > > ISO rewards: 5×5k, 10×8k, 8×10k, 15k, 20k > > HP rewards: 12×250, 6×500, 4×1k, 2×2.5k, 1×5k ---
**Author:** ![GrumpySmurf1002](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/grumpysmurf1002/32/4688_2.png) [@GrumpySmurf1002](https://forums.505go.com/u/GrumpySmurf1002)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/2 "2016-01-08T09:54:02Z")
4\*: 4000 HP, 250CP, 11 Legendary tokens, 117.5k iso. So actually net positive on Iso, I think. I added it while really tired last night, but it’s no worse than break even. ---
**Author:** ![OneLastGambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/onelastgambit/32/6467_2.png) [@OneLastGambit](https://forums.505go.com/u/OneLastGambit)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/3 "2016-01-08T09:54:53Z")
You might be iso neutral from championing a character but they way I see it you’re game positive because you then get to add lots of levels to a character making them better - for free! and as you say you get tons of other prizes for free too including tokens to make your transition into the next tier (if you are a transitioner). ---
**Author:** ![Orion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/orion/32/4322_2.png) [@Orion](https://forums.505go.com/u/Orion)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/4 "2016-01-08T10:11:47Z")
> [@OneLastGambit](#): > > You might be iso neutral from championing a character but they way I see it you’re game positive because you then get to add lots of levels to a character making them better - for free! and as you say you get tons of other prizes for free too including tokens to make your transition into the next tier (if you are a transitioner). Not only tokens, but straight covers of the next higher tier. It will be nice to get Hulkbuster covers for championing 3\* heroes. You get a Legendary token for the first champion level of a 3\* or 4\* hero. That’s worth the champion fee right there. ---
**Author:** ![squirrel1120](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@squirrel1120](https://forums.505go.com/u/squirrel1120)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/5 "2016-01-08T10:30:03Z")
> [@OneLastGambit](#): > > You might be iso neutral from championing a character but they way I see it you’re game positive because you then get to add lots of levels to a character making them better - for free! and as you say you get tons of other prizes for free too including tokens to make your transition into the next tier (if you are a transitioner). I agree with this, mostly, including ‘breaking into the next tier’. Still, If you are a tier behind (as I am), then you’ll likely always be a tier behind. This doesn’t change the moving goal posts (exacerbates it really, if you don’t champion as fast as the field of players you fall further behind despite any forward progress), doesn’t change the starvation of iso, and thus doesn’t really change anything for most players who are fighting a tier above themselves trying ‘break into the next tier’. ‘Getting there’ really only has two possible routes. You either place really high in pve and as high as your roster will allow in pvp for a year at a time, or you spend massive amounts of money. Overall it looks like a fun new feature. Fun being the key word there, and I almost think the release point of this could have been switched with 5\*'s for the health of the game. I guess at minimum there will at least be ‘something to do’ in between the slow acquisition of needed 4\* covers, and something that will actually help with it some as well. ---
**Author:** ![notamutant](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/notamutant/32/8364_2.png) [@notamutant](https://forums.505go.com/u/notamutant)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:39am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/6 "2016-01-08T10:39:23Z")
One thing to consider due to expiration date on covers: if you have rare covers (i.e. 4 stars) that will expire soon, do not champion your 2 or 3 stars first. While you at least break even or more through championing, you don’t actually see that return until near the end. So seeing as how you won’t get 100 3 star covers for a specific character in the next week, focus first on leveling up your best 4 stars if you pull extra covers for them. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Nexus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dragon_nexus/32/6690_2.png) [@Dragon\_Nexus](https://forums.505go.com/u/Dragon_Nexus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/7 "2016-01-08T11:27:30Z")
> [@squirrel1120](#): > > I guess at minimum there will at least be ‘something to do’ in between the slow acquisition of needed 4\* covers, and something that will actually help with it some as well. This is the main draw factor for me. I was nearing the end of my 3\* roster, Quicksilver’s at 130 and that’s it, everyone else is done. The game felt like it was going to hit a brick wall while I did PvP getting one 4\* cover every 3 days. Now I’ve got a goal and a way of making progress! It might be artificial progress but I actually looked forward to finishing work and playing this game. I haven’t felt that in _months_. ---
**Author:** ![ProfessorGumby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/professorgumby/32/5077_2.png) [@ProfessorGumby](https://forums.505go.com/u/ProfessorGumby)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/8 "2016-01-08T15:28:57Z")
> [@notamutant](#): > > One thing to consider due to expiration date on covers: if you have rare covers (i.e. 4 stars) that will expire soon, do not champion your 2 or 3 stars first. While you at least break even or more through championing, you don’t actually see that return until near the end. So seeing as how you won’t get 100 3 star covers for a specific character in the next week, focus first on leveling up your best 4 stars if you pull extra covers for them. This is similar to the approach I’m taking. I started out by championing the 3 star characters that had covers expiring in the next 24 hours. After applying all the related covers to those, I went and opened the LTs I received for each. All those LTs gave me 4\* covers I needed. So, I applied each of those and put ISO into them to get them to their cap. And, as I’ve gotten 2\* covers from drops or tokens, I’ve gone ahead and started on them, as they will eventually create more 3\* covers for the process. Repeat the process the next day with the next set of expiring covers. Eventually I expect that I will hit a wall on ISO, at which point I will revert to hoarding tokens, but will still continue to apply covers to existing champions to generate additional ISO/HP/cover rewards. I do also expect that some covers in my queue will need to be sold for ISO directly (I’m looking at you Quicksilver and IW)… as the current ISO cost to get them to max level isn’t worth the opportunity cost of that ISO on other possible champions. Cheers! - PG ---
**Author:** ![DrLemniscate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e79b87/32.png) [@DrLemniscate](https://forums.505go.com/u/DrLemniscate)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/9 "2016-01-08T16:50:18Z")
5\* totals 25 Legendary Tokens 625 CP 20,000 HP 220,000 ISO-8 Looks like a net loss of 5k ISO. Initial champion cost of 25k and each cover is worth 2k. Rewards repeat in this order: Legendary Token, ISO, 25 CP, HP. ISO rewards: 5×5k, 10×8k, 8×10k, 15k, 20k HP rewards: 12×250, 6×500, 4×1k, 2×2.5k, 1×5k ---
**Author:** ![ProfessorGumby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/professorgumby/32/5077_2.png) [@ProfessorGumby](https://forums.505go.com/u/ProfessorGumby)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/10 "2016-01-08T17:12:47Z")
> [@ProfessorGumby](#): > > I do also expect that some covers in my queue will need to be sold for ISO directly (I’m looking at you Quicksilver and IW)… as the current ISO cost to get them to max level isn’t worth the opportunity cost of that ISO on other possible champions. On second thought… since CS is able to “split” duplicate characters back into individual covers… I’ll likely create duplicates for those and hold on to them until I’m ready to champion them. Hmmm… well… I’ve got 7 days and 4… now 3 minutes to make that decision. Cheers! - PG ---
**Author:** ![atomzed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4491bb/32.png) [@atomzed](https://forums.505go.com/u/atomzed)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/11 "2016-01-08T20:26:24Z")
> [@ProfessorGumby](#): > > > [@ProfessorGumby](#): > > > > I do also expect that some covers in my queue will need to be sold for ISO directly (I’m looking at you Quicksilver and IW)… as the current ISO cost to get them to max level isn’t worth the opportunity cost of that ISO on other possible champions. > > On second thought… since CS is able to “split” duplicate characters back into individual covers… I’ll likely create duplicates for those and hold on to them until I’m ready to champion them. > > Hmmm… well… I’ve got 7 days and 4… now 3 minutes to make that decision. > > Cheers! > > - PG Don’t bet on them doing it forever… it might be a once off transitional waiver. ---
**Author:** ![Dragon\_Nexus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dragon_nexus/32/6690_2.png) [@Dragon\_Nexus](https://forums.505go.com/u/Dragon_Nexus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2016, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/12 "2016-01-08T22:43:29Z")
> [@GrumpySmurf1002](#): > > 4\*: > > 4000 HP, 250CP, 11 Legendary tokens, 117.5k iso. > > So actually net positive on Iso, I think. I added it while really tired last night, but it’s no worse than break even. Anyone able to confirm this? I’ll add it to the main post, if it’s correct =) ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Duke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/black_duke/32/383_2.png) [@Black\_Duke](https://forums.505go.com/u/Black_Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 12:05pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/13 "2016-01-10T12:05:17Z")
Do you guys think that it is usefull to champion maxed 2\*characters? I`m asking because I`m thinking of championing my OBW (she`s my favourite character for DDQ). ---
**Author:** ![Crowl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Crowl](https://forums.505go.com/u/Crowl)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/14 "2016-01-10T15:14:04Z")
> [@Black Duke](#): > > Do you guys think that it is usefull to champion maxed 2\*characters? I`m asking because I`m thinking of championing my OBW (she`s my favourite character for DDQ). It is definitely worth it for any character that is already maxed, overall it doesn’t cost you any iso, you get a stronger character (and this is one you even use regularly) and you get the additional covers, tokens, hp and cp too. ---
**Author:** ![Monged4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a9adbd/32.png) [@Monged4life](https://forums.505go.com/u/Monged4life)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/15 "2016-01-11T05:13:07Z")
Even if it wasn’t worth the iso (which in my opinion it is), I would still champion everyone I can because it’s made 2\* covers relevant again!!! I can’t describe how good it feels to no longer feel that pang of disappointment when every cover pack gives you a 2\*. Now it’s not a bad thing anymore!!! Best change to the game since I started playing it a year ago. ---
**Author:** ![zodiac339](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/zodiac339/32/2442_2.png) [@zodiac339](https://forums.505go.com/u/zodiac339)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/16 "2016-01-11T05:56:09Z")
> [@Monged4life](#): > > Even if it wasn’t worth the iso (which in my opinion it is), I would still champion everyone I can because it’s made 2\* covers relevant again!!! > > I can’t describe how good it feels to no longer feel that pang of disappointment when every cover pack gives you a 2\*. Now it’s not a bad thing anymore!!! > > Best change to the game since I started playing it a year ago. Unfortunately, the relevance is hampered by the level disparity growing even wider. 2 star can go to 144, while 3 star will go 266. I have no idea why they included the epics in the champion thing. They don’t need to get stronger. Still, championed 144 heroes should be able to handle non-champion 166 heroes more readily. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Duke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/black_duke/32/383_2.png) [@Black\_Duke](https://forums.505go.com/u/Black_Duke)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/17 "2016-01-11T06:47:42Z")
> [@Crowl](#): > > > [@Black Duke](#): > > > > Do you guys think that it is usefull to champion maxed 2\*characters? I`m asking because I`m thinking of championing my OBW (she`s my favourite character for DDQ). > > It is definitely worth it for any character that is already maxed, overall it doesn’t cost you any iso, you get a stronger character (and this is one you even use regularly) and you get the additional covers, tokens, hp and cp too. Thanks for the advice! I have just championed my 2\*-Human Torch and got ![icon_blackpanther.png](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/a/a83b0b010dbc550f2881cafe5d2a74c1bfd527fc.png) ![yellowflag.png](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/c/c88cd082407902cbaddb8a612c651630df8a50d7.png) for the Heroic Token. It seems definitely to be worth. ![icon_e_wink.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/5/5d51b9f29c53f0863247b0e9a4faa659012932d1.gif) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/1X/b4ba35e5c3a2d4e8b33a15c0ffd8c646489f10f2.png) [@system](https://forums.505go.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 12:58pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/18 "2016-01-11T12:58:51Z")
if you have a spare roster slot, how much would you lose and gain in total if you take a new 2 star only for the 3 star cover rewards and the HP from championing? I m also not sure how much ISO it costs for level 1? 20? (where do 2 stars start?) to 94 ---
**Author:** ![jobob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/jobob/32/2087_2.png) [@jobob](https://forums.505go.com/u/jobob)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/19 "2016-01-11T15:49:56Z")
It’s impossible (or at least very difficult) to come up with a single value for the rewards other than the ISO, because it’s going to be different from player to player based on needs, how you spend the CP/HP, and the luck of the draw. But, I attempted to assign some sort of ISO value to the 2\* rewards just to see… Here’s what I used: 3\* Cover = 500 ISO (based on sell price… obviously worth a bit more if you are feeding it into a champion or if you need that cover) Heroic Token = 343 ISO (based on probability of getting a 4\*, 3\*, or 2\* and their sellprices) = 1000 ISO x 4.4% + 500 ISO x 24.0% + 250 ISO x 71.5% 1 CP = 40 ISO (based on sell price) = 1000 ISO / 25 CP per Legendary 100 HP = 343 ISO (based on cost of Heroic Token if you buy one at the sale price… but there are so many ways HP can be used- 10 packs, 40 packs, Health packs, covers, etc- that this one is really tough to calculate) So for a 2\*, all that adds up to an extra ISO value of 4,273 above the “break even” ISO awarded along the way. And, like I said, it could be worth more or less depending on your needs and the luck of the draw. This is, of course, on top of the fact that you are getting a stronger character, and that you have something to do with the tokens and something else to work toward. …So having done the math, I would say that on top of what we already know (that the champion fee is worth it), I think spending an additional 5,000 ISO to get to max is probably closer to the actual “break even” point. I’m not sure what level you are when you are 5k away… probably around 90 - 91. However, when I factor in the stronger character, the luck of the draw, and the feeling of making 2\* covers relevant again, I wouldn’t hesitate to spend 10k ISO to get a character to max, plus another 5k to champion. The numbers might not support that much, but it’s worth it to me for the added enjoyment. ---
**Author:** ![jobob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/jobob/32/2087_2.png) [@jobob](https://forums.505go.com/u/jobob)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420/20 "2016-01-11T15:54:05Z")
> [@Frasaria](#): > > if you have a spare roster slot, how much would you lose and gain in total if you take a new 2 star only for the 3 star cover rewards and the HP from championing? > I m also not sure how much ISO it costs for level 1? 20? (where do 2 stars start?) to 94 No… definitely NOT worth it. Taking a 2\* to champion from scratch is around 75k in ISO. 16 63 17 155 18 155 19 162 20 183 21 200 22 212 23 248 24 259 25 278 26 303 27 317 28 343 29 360 30 372 31 408 32 419 33 438 34 463 35 477 36 502 37 521 38 532 39 568 40 579 41 597 42 623 43 637 44 662 45 681 46 692 47 728 48 740 49 757 50 783 51 797 52 822 53 841 54 852 55 888 56 899 57 918 58 943 59 957 60 982 61 1001 62 1012 63 1048 64 1060 65 1077 66 1103 67 1117 68 1142 69 1161 70 1172 71 1208 72 1219 73 1238 74 1263 75 1277 76 1302 77 1321 78 1332 79 1368 80 1379 81 1398 82 1423 83 1437 84 1462 85 1481 86 1492 87 1528 88 1540 89 1557 90 1583 91 1597 92 1622 93 1641 94 1652 CHAMP 5000 [Next page](https://forums.505go.com/t/championing-worth-the-iso-seems-to-be/21420.md?page=2)