Clues and Sigil of the Empty Throne.

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As of now / next update, Clues will be fully treated as Supports:

I’m interested to know whether they now do the other things we expect Clue Supports to do. Namely, triggering Sigil of the Empty Throne, or other cards similarly not supported: Jessian Thief, Thing in the Ice, Blessed Spirits. Many other cards were already treating Clues as Supports; eg Helm of the Gods, so we should see some improved Clue deck ideas.

Alas, if only I had Tamiyo’s Journal to test.

Can anyone help me here? If so, thanks in advance!

EDIT - Clues not designed to work this way. See JC’s reply below.

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Sigil of the Empty Throne is not meant to work with summoning support tokens.

Here’s the logic - the card says “When you cast a Support”. The wording is very specific in this case: “casting” means “filling up with mana and playing from the hand”. Clues do not get “cast”, they get summoned from other sources, so they do not trigger Sigil of the Empty Throne. The same is true for Blessed Spirits and Jhessian Thief.

I hope this clear things up!

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Thanks JC. That is exactly the specific information and explanation we’ve been wondering about.

Appreciate the reply.

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So clues will now no longer count towards secondary objectives about casting support then? What about from PW abilities?

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Hopefully such objectives are reworded to align with the tighter definitions JC has previously mentioned regarding standardised ability wordings.

Good catch though.

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As far as objectives are concerned, this is a separate system. I will talk with the team to make sure we fix this in the future so that it is clear.

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@JC Sigil is summoning an Angel when Sigil itself comes out or is reinforced. That’s incorrect.

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Yeah, this is due to a change on how we are handling that specific trigger. We’ll fix that shortly.

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But it now matches every other ETB effect

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Actually Sigil is slightly underpowered without that effect. I encountered it this event and was pleasantly surprised. Thought it was ninja balanced.

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There’s actually a chance I’ll modify the card so it works as-is (the buggy version!) since it does feel a bit underpowered.

It’s not an “ETB” effect, it’s an “On Cast” effect. Huge difference there.

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[quote=“Hibernum_JC”
Here’s the logic - the card says “When you cast a Support”. The wording is very specific in this case: “casting” means “filling up with mana and playing from the hand”. Clues do not get “cast”, they get summoned from other sources, so they do not trigger Sigil of the Empty Throne. The same is true for Blessed Spirits and Jhessian Thief.
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Historically this game has not been very good about paying attention to specific wording, this has been frustrating for people who played paper magic and would read a card and expect certain things to happen based on the card text. I take this as a good sign and that there is an effort to make things more consistent and logical.

Are there plans to clear up other things that work in unusual ways, for example rolling thunder with awaken does 6 damage in two pieces and creature abilities trigger and take effect in between the two damage and four damage portions of the spell. Effects happening in the middle of a spell resolving are weird. Also creature deaths from the same effect should be simultaneous and not sequential, it creates cases where creatures that were killed don’t die based on which order they were stacked in.

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Going to test it again but clues(and servos) do still work with supports that require you to cast supports for an effect

This includes:

  • blightcaster
  • oath of Chandra and Jace
  • ulvenwald mysteries

Will confirm shortly

Edit: probably it happened post recent clue fix but clues don’t seem to trigger “on support cast” effects anymore.
However servos DO trigger those effects.

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From this I take it that Servos WILL trigger Sigil?

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To be honest I did not test it, i assumed like clues(even pre-fix) it would not.
Also I was wrong about ulvenwald. It should work cause it does not require support being cast.
So that it’s working as intended.

Can also confirm blightcaster working with clues(and servos).