# Cycling **URL:** \ **Category:** MtGPQ General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 16, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305 "2017-05-16T23:33:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![shteev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/shteev/32/7929_2.png) [@shteev](https://forums.505go.com/u/shteev)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/1 "2017-05-16T23:33:57Z")
Cycling’s a great fun mechanic, isn’t it? It’s massively undercosted. ANYBODY can see that. There’s no defense for it at all, JC. Sort it out. ---
**Author:** ![losdamianos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/losdamianos/32/8897_2.png) [@losdamianos](https://forums.505go.com/u/losdamianos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2017, 11:40pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/2 "2017-05-16T23:40:32Z")
I know, I love the cycling mechanic but please dont abuse it, Lance Armstrong famous cyclist got testicular cancer from abusing it. > **[Lance Armstrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong#Cancer_diagnosis.2C_treatment_and_recovery)** > > Stage races > One-day races and Classics > Lance Edward Armstrong (né Gunderson; born September 18, 1971) is an American former professional road racing cyclist. He achieved international fame for winning the Tour de France a record seven consecutive times from 1999 to 2005, but was stripped of his titles in 2012 after an investigation into doping allegations found that Armstrong used performance-enhancing drugs over his career. Armstrong is banned from all sanctioned bicycling events. ---
**Author:** ![Steeme](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/steeme/32/4270_2.png) [@Steeme](https://forums.505go.com/u/Steeme)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/3 "2017-05-17T06:03:21Z")
Have we determined whether or not the AI will cycle cards? ---
**Author:** ![wereotter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/wereotter/32/6220_2.png) [@wereotter](https://forums.505go.com/u/wereotter)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/4 "2017-05-17T06:22:36Z")
I haven’t seen the AI use it yet ---
**Author:** ![Delnai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/delnai/32/250_2.png) [@Delnai](https://forums.505go.com/u/Delnai)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/5 "2017-05-17T08:42:13Z")
I haven’t figured out how to break cycling yet but I don’t think it’ll take long. Seems pretty powerful. Also just strange design; almost all the numbers in MtGPQ are bigger than corresponding numbers in MtG, while cycling costs are no bigger, and maybe even seem smaller on average? ---
**Author:** ![wereotter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/wereotter/32/6220_2.png) [@wereotter](https://forums.505go.com/u/wereotter)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/6 "2017-05-17T09:01:37Z")
> [@Delnai](#): > > I haven’t figured out how to break cycling yet but I don’t think it’ll take long. Seems pretty powerful. Also just strange design; almost all the numbers in MtGPQ are bigger than corresponding numbers in MtG, while cycling costs are no bigger, and maybe even seem smaller on average? Key cards so far look like New Perspectives to make it free then cards that care about cycling. So Faith of the Devoted looks good. Pitiless Vizier makes for good removal, Shadowstorm Vizier looks solid for it, and Archfiend of Ifnir. Drake Haven in that setup wouldn’t be bad either. ---
**Author:** ![Thuran](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@Thuran](https://forums.505go.com/u/Thuran)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 10:58am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/7 "2017-05-17T10:58:06Z")
Also, once you get drake haven you should save up for the new Nissa, as her abilities seem absolutely coconuts with cycling ---
**Author:** ![shteev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/shteev/32/7929_2.png) [@shteev](https://forums.505go.com/u/shteev)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/8 "2017-05-17T11:22:17Z")
A good rule of thumb in this game is that if you can make Sphinx’s Tutelage completely lock down your opponent, then something else you’re playing with is probably broken. Prism Array did it, Baral did it, and lo and behold if you can’t get a decent lock with cycling. Try it with Alhammaret’s Archive. ---
**Author:** ![JarethLeonin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@JarethLeonin](https://forums.505go.com/u/JarethLeonin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/9 "2017-05-17T12:35:54Z")
It’s totally broken. I just managed to get a 84/84 Drake on 2 Turn! It takes awhile to get there but it’s doable. I just hope the AI doesn’t start cycling. ---
**Author:** ![Delnai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/delnai/32/250_2.png) [@Delnai](https://forums.505go.com/u/Delnai)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:23pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/10 "2017-05-17T15:23:46Z")
> [@wereotter](#): > > > [@Delnai](#): > > > > I haven’t figured out how to break cycling yet but I don’t think it’ll take long. Seems pretty powerful. Also just strange design; almost all the numbers in MtGPQ are bigger than corresponding numbers in MtG, while cycling costs are no bigger, and maybe even seem smaller on average? > > Key cards so far look like New Perspectives to make it free then cards that care about cycling. So Faith of the Devoted looks good. Pitiless Vizier makes for good removal, Shadowstorm Vizier looks solid for it, and Archfiend of Ifnir. Drake Haven in that setup wouldn’t be bad either. Ha, seems like New Perspectives by itself is already enough basically to break cycling. Didn’t notice it when I first read the spoiler because I didn’t understand yet how cycling worked. Oy. Can’t wait to pull that. Looks like they’re continuing the trend of giving blue the most busted cards, just like the early days of MtG. ---
**Author:** ![ElfNeedsFood](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/elfneedsfood/32/67_2.png) [@ElfNeedsFood](https://forums.505go.com/u/ElfNeedsFood)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/11 "2017-05-17T15:24:42Z")
> [@JarethLeonin](#): > > It’s totally broken. I just managed to get a 84/84 Drake on 2 Turn! It takes awhile to get there but it’s doable. I just hope the AI doesn’t start cycling. Can you post your deck? Drake Haven does seem to be the pin in making something destructive out of cycling… ---
**Author:** ![wereotter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/wereotter/32/6220_2.png) [@wereotter](https://forums.505go.com/u/wereotter)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/12 "2017-05-17T15:44:07Z")
> [@Delnai](#): > > > [@wereotter](#): > > > > > [@Delnai](#): > > > > > > I haven’t figured out how to break cycling yet but I don’t think it’ll take long. Seems pretty powerful. Also just strange design; almost all the numbers in MtGPQ are bigger than corresponding numbers in MtG, while cycling costs are no bigger, and maybe even seem smaller on average? > > > > Key cards so far look like New Perspectives to make it free then cards that care about cycling. So Faith of the Devoted looks good. Pitiless Vizier makes for good removal, Shadowstorm Vizier looks solid for it, and Archfiend of Ifnir. Drake Haven in that setup wouldn’t be bad either. > > Ha, seems like New Perspectives by itself is already enough basically to break cycling. Didn’t notice it when I first read the spoiler because I didn’t understand yet how cycling worked. Oy. Can’t wait to pull that. Looks like they’re continuing the trend of giving blue the most busted cards, just like the early days of MtG. Tezzeret is thirsty for this deck, once I can get my paws on all the cards to make it work 😃 ---
**Author:** ![JarethLeonin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@JarethLeonin](https://forums.505go.com/u/JarethLeonin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/13 "2017-05-17T15:59:09Z")
It’s basically the combination of Drake Haven + New Perspectives and the Cycling 1, 2 or 3. > **[{{pageTitle}} | mtgpq.info](https://mtgpq.info/cards/search?desc=cycling%201)** > > {{pageDescription}} > **[{{pageTitle}} | mtgpq.info](https://mtgpq.info/cards/search?desc=cycling%202)** > > {{pageDescription}} > **[{{pageTitle}} | mtgpq.info](https://mtgpq.info/cards/search?desc=cycling%203)** > > {{pageDescription}} Then you can add something to give haste or Sphinx’s Tutelage which basically locks out the AI. I don’t have a final list yet, as I’m still missing a lot of commons and uncommons but even if you go with some sub par cycle cards the deck is brutal. You just need to control the board with the cycling cards (some are very good at that by the way) until you get those 2 on the board. Then it’s good game. Turns can take up to some minutes while you are cycling your cards but it’s “fun”. ---
**Author:** ![madwren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/madwren/32/4116_2.png) [@madwren](https://forums.505go.com/u/madwren)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/14 "2017-05-17T16:21:05Z")
Yeah, Drake Haven is bonkers, I can only imagine having New Perspectives with it. Basically, just throw in cycling cards. You don’t even need to worry about casting them, or utilizing the cards for any purpose other than cycling. Just pay 1-2 cycling mana for a 4/4 drake each turn. ---
**Author:** ![JarethLeonin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/fbc32d/32.png) [@JarethLeonin](https://forums.505go.com/u/JarethLeonin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/15 "2017-05-17T16:23:15Z")
Combine it with it Faith of the Devoted on Tezzeret and you get a 4/4, gain 5 life and deal 5 to opponent. It’s bonkers! All that while reloading your hand… ---
**Author:** ![wereotter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/wereotter/32/6220_2.png) [@wereotter](https://forums.505go.com/u/wereotter)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/16 "2017-05-17T16:31:29Z")
> [@JarethLeonin](#): > > Combine it with it Faith of the Devoted on Tezzeret and you get a 4/4, gain 5 life and deal 5 to opponent. It’s bonkers! All that while reloading your hand… You’ll get more than that when you consider that if you draw a card with cycling, it will gain mana, and you can immediately cycle it too. With the right set up, and a little luck, new perspectives and faith of the devoted together can end the match in one turn. ---
**Author:** ![Delnai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/delnai/32/250_2.png) [@Delnai](https://forums.505go.com/u/Delnai)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/17 "2017-05-17T16:36:23Z")
> [@wereotter](#): > > > [@JarethLeonin](#): > > > > Combine it with it Faith of the Devoted on Tezzeret and you get a 4/4, gain 5 life and deal 5 to opponent. It’s bonkers! All that while reloading your hand… > > You’ll get more than that when you consider that if you draw a card with cycling, it will gain mana, and you can immediately cycle it too. With the right set up, and a little luck, new perspectives and faith of the devoted together can end the match in one turn. Looks like we may finally have a way to semiconsistently get the “win in 5 turns” (or whatever the number is) objective on that Angel in RatC that doesn’t involve mythics. ---
**Author:** ![Laeuftbeidir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/laeuftbeidir/32/3155_2.png) [@Laeuftbeidir](https://forums.505go.com/u/Laeuftbeidir)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/18 "2017-05-17T16:50:02Z")
> [@madwren](#): > > Yeah, Drake Haven is bonkers, I can only imagine having New Perspectives with it. > > Basically, just throw in cycling cards. You don’t even need to worry about casting them, or utilizing the cards for any purpose other than cycling. Just pay 1-2 cycling mana for a 4/4 drake each turn. My best was to cycle ten for a 20/20. Eh..on average during five turns, than the game was over ---
**Author:** ![madwren](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/madwren/32/4116_2.png) [@madwren](https://forums.505go.com/u/madwren)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/19 "2017-05-17T16:51:27Z")
> [@Laeuftbeidir](#): > > > [@madwren](#): > > > > Yeah, Drake Haven is bonkers, I can only imagine having New Perspectives with it. > > > > Basically, just throw in cycling cards. You don’t even need to worry about casting them, or utilizing the cards for any purpose other than cycling. Just pay 1-2 cycling mana for a 4/4 drake each turn. > > My best was to cycle ten for a 20/20. > Eh..on average during five turns, than the game was over I can usually get 4-5 a turn pretty consistently, but I’m missing 2 of the blue cycling commons. ---
**Author:** ![Laeuftbeidir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/laeuftbeidir/32/3155_2.png) [@Laeuftbeidir](https://forums.505go.com/u/Laeuftbeidir)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305/20 "2017-05-17T16:55:57Z")
Shefet monitor. It cycles for eight (instead of six) , but.. Well, it is worth it. [Next page](https://forums.505go.com/t/cycling/36305.md?page=2)