I say that because they’ve done nothing to change the status quo. With Strange moving into the Latest Legends, there’s now a ridiculous 8 5*s in the Classics. I’d love to be able to get more covers for Black-Suit Spidey, IM46 or Goblin, but now the chance of pulling one of those covers is a paltry 1.9%.
So pull Latest Legends, right? That will give you a better chance of maxing someone! But let’s look at the math. You need 13 covers to max someone and there are 3 5s to choose from. On average, it will take 37 5 pulls to get that elusive 13-cover 5*. So 37 pulls translates to 247 Legendary pulls which costs 6175 CP. Even players who buy multiple Starks don’t have that kind of CP stash.
There needs to be a 3rd tier of Legendary tokens now. Put SS/OML/PHX/BSS in the Classics for 15 CP. Put GG/5Cap/IM46/Hulk in a separate token for 20 CP. Then leave the latest at 25 CP. Give us some kind of chance to cover somebody instead of endlessly diluting the pool so our 5* covers never go to the characters we want.
OK, so make each of them 20 CP. The point is, I want to be able to champ some of the other 5s and I can’t because the 5 covers are so widely distributed.
A pitiful 1.9% chance of getting a ‘classic’ 5*. Wait, is Silver Surfer a character in this game? These undercovered older 5*'s are just going to collect dust. 3*'s and 4*s will see more time of day.
These are the announcements D3 made last year on the introduction of the legendary store:
Miles - Starting out, we’re going to have him at 5% of the packs, but as soon as we add another 5-Star we’re going to be bumping him up, so the pack will be 90% 4-Stars, 10% 5-Stars, which is really exciting.
How do you earn Silver Surfer and future 5-Star characters?
A: You can earn 5-star characters in Legendary packs. These packs will contain only 4-star characters and better. At first, the odds will consist of 95% 4-star characters and 5% for Silver Surfer. The proportion of 5-Stars in these packs will increase when we release two more 5-Star characters.
They don’t seem to be making the necessary adjustments that their comments alluded to. Or maybe it’s just me and I am completely misinterpreting their announcements. Regardless, there are several paths to cover 4s including the older ones and no clear path to cover 5s.
Your math is a little off; if you want to fully cover three 5* characters using Latest Legend Tokens, then you need about 45 x 5* pulls or more because of unwanted covers past 5. This translates into at least 300 Legendary Tokens, which would cost 7500 CP, but that’s not how whales do it. They buy Starks regularly in order to empty entire vaults, which gives them a LT, plus all the covers and ISO they need. They continue to quickly hoard LTs and CPs by playing the game and being in an alliance of people who all do the same thing. So, the entire “buyers” alliance is quickly building up CPs. They get LTs from Champion rewards, Crash of Titans and VIP rewards. Once they have hoarded enough LTs and CPs to pull 300 times, they get the 5* covers they need.
The point is this: you need either 100 LT and 5000 CP, or 150 LT and 3750 CP, or 200 LT and 2500 CP, which is possible to do in a couple months if you spend a boat load of money. Also, I disagree with your proposed 3rd tier of LTs. If the oldest ones cost less to pull, then they’re implying that the latest legends are better, which is not the case. OML is the oldest 5* and he’s very good. Plus, the game is designed to have slower progression the further you go in it. It’s all about diminishing returns - a reverse exponential curve. It’s how they keep you playing the game by never getting to the end of it.
How about taking out 50% of the 5* in classics to raise the odds for the remainder. Every end of season, rotate the 5* characters. That way the amount of oml and pheonix combos will not continue to balloon as they are one of the first 5* released.
Heck have a third leg token, put half the 5* in it. And say those characters are out of rotation for the seaon, but if you want them, pay an extra 5cp. This way you can control what characters people get and use in pvp.
Maybe but there was no way you could get any characters out of rotation. In my scenario, you could pay extra to get out of rotation characters.
The weakness of taking characters out of rotation was that you would have a out of rotation character taking up a roster slot and not being able to level him/her up for a long time. With my scenario, you can pay extra to level him/her if you really wanted to.
They kept their word, the odds were 5%, then 10%, then 15%, which is what the total is now. 15% chance to get a 5* cover. If there are 10 x 5*s in that token pool, then the odds for each character are 1.5%.
Probably just me then. But the way I read it was there was a 5% chance of getting a 5*. Certainly not 5% chance of getting Surfer any more (not that I want him, just an example).
Look at the history of the game and you will all understand. In the beginning when I started playing, there were 9 x 3s which could only be obtained through Heroic Tokens. It was slow to accumulate those covers, but people did anyway. They kept releasing new 3s which continued to dilute the odds in the Heroic Tokens. Later, they started rewarding 3s as placement rewards. After that, DDQ came along and then 3 covers as progression rewards. Heroic Tokens still have the same odds to get a 3* cover of now 41 possible characters. Heroic Tokens also have a very small chance of getting a 4* cover, which I don’t believe has changed either.
So now here we sit with Legendary Tokens that guarantee 4* with a possibility of 5*. Do you see where this is going? Do you see the pattern? They continue to release new 5s making it harder to fully cover any one character, but I’m betting they will also introduce 5 rewards (SCL9), making it easier to cover them. Once we get around 25 x 5s, then we’ll start seeing 6 characters (Thanos, Dormammu, Galactus?), which can only be obtained through Legendary Tokens at a very small chance. They continue to release new 5s and 6s. Eventually, Legendary Tokens will be given out like candy (like Heroic Tokens) and 6* characters will be top progression and placement rewards. Perhaps the game will implode and everyone will quit before that day comes, but we are headed in that direction.
Don’t forget that Latest Legend 5* receive cover protection for duplicate covers. So for LL 5*, it doesn’t really matter what color the covers are with respect to getting to 13. CS will and has switched out the 6th cover as long as that hero is still the latest legend pack.
Personally, I think the fastest way to cover a hero is to hoard cp for their special vault (where its 25cp for 10%) then use your regular LT tokens once he enters the LL pack and then start buying LL draws.
That’s all fine and good (and I’ve done as much, having hoarded to get my 13th IM46 and 13th BB); however, I’m sitting on a 10 cover PHX that will likely never get covered. Not only are the odds super low I’ll pull a PHX, but I have a 5/3/2 build (unsure of exact colors, but it’s 5 in one), so I’ve got the risk I get a 6th cover. If they don’t separate those Classics or change the distribution, I’m gonna never use PHX, BSSM, GG, Cap, Hulk, or SS. If they don’t want to go that way, then lower the purchase cost from 720cp to something more reasonable.
If not, I’ll just depend on eventual power creep and I’ll only spend money on Latests.
I.never 7nderstand why latest tokens exclude older 5 stars (and also keeper all 4 stars), but classics doesn’t exclude older 4 stars. I mean, if I’m paying an extra 5 cp, I want a chance at every five star. Keep the top 3 at higher rates, but make the older ones available too.
I liked the idea someone had where they do a rotating token based on season gem cover. So like the things you could pull in this season are all characters with red being their highest color. Maybe make these vaults be more because of the fewer options available but still.