# Mirror Mirror on the Wall, who is the best planeswalker of them all? **URL:** \ **Category:** MtGPQ General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 5, 2018, 5:49pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278 "2018-09-05T17:49:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/21 "2018-09-06T15:19:04Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@babar3355](#): > > > > Are you honestly saying AJ1 is top tier… I am frankly shocked. I probably haven’t played AJ1 in more than a year. Mostly because Nahiri runs the HuF/Deploy combination better (because of better mana gains). And outside that combo, AJ1 is outclassed by at least a dozen walkers.. > > > > Bolas 1 & 2, Karn, Teferi, Kiora, Angrath, H2, Nahiri, SR, Samut, Vraska, and T2… Arguably even Koth, Elspeth, and Ob are better. > > While I don’t think Aj1 is top tier anymore, I don’t exactly agree with this. He is still my go to for a lot of stuff— and always my go-to over Nahiri. His higher support and spell load outs make him much more versatile, his control abilities allow you to do more with your deck. His mana gains aren’t huge, but they are well distributed and with Gilded Lotus this is a huge benefit. For HUF decks, you can run goggles and pop all of your activate gems at once with his ult. > > Other PW have taken him out of the top tier, but he is still top of the next tier. If you don’t agree, you’re not playing him right. ![httpsipinimgcomoriginals2e4b5f2e4b5f368ebc7f66a779a9441d2679d4jpg](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/3X/f/0/f0aba8480346e71d0c6f94eb78256993ab821458.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Tourmaline](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aca169/32.png) [@Tourmaline](https://forums.505go.com/u/Tourmaline)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/22 "2018-09-10T20:22:05Z")
I loved koth but now that they’re trying to force you to play land supports by nerfing your color generation hes kind of frustrating. Elspeth has some powerful decks. Kiora is a given. ---
**Author:** ![Stormcrow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/stormcrow/32/9296_2.png) [@Stormcrow](https://forums.505go.com/u/Stormcrow)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/23 "2018-09-10T23:00:14Z")
For me the ideal 3 Planeswalker abilities are some form of: 1. I don’t have enough mana, fix it. 2. My hand sucks, fix it. 3. Make a huge board state swing, probably win the game. In general, not considering mana gains or color combos, a PW with 1 of these 3 ideal abilities is playable, A PW with 2 out of 3 is good, and Kiora, who has, basically, 3-out-of-3, no drawbacks, and a few other pluses (great deck limits and a great color combo) is the absolute queen of them all. A lot of the planeswalkers I regard as the “strongest” have a 1st ability that is basically a utility spell (e.g., Bolas has a kill spell, Vraska has a support-destruction spell) and those are good too, but ultimately, I’d rather play cards than play abilities which is why I guess you could say my “ideal” utility spell on the first ability is mana ramp. ---
**Author:** ![Brakkis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/brakkis/32/2705_2.png) [@Brakkis](https://forums.505go.com/u/Brakkis)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/24 "2018-09-11T00:29:55Z")
Putting aside card collections and instead going by mana gains, card type limits, color access, and abilities, I’d personally rank the top 5 as such. 1. Kiora 2. Teferi 3. Bolas 4. Karn 5. Huatli 2 / Samut / Vraska ---
**Author:** ![Gun\_Bunny](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/gun_bunny/32/9263_2.png) [@Gun\_Bunny](https://forums.505go.com/u/Gun_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 7:28am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/25 "2018-09-11T07:28:31Z")
In no particular order: Ajani1 Bolas1 Teferi Kiora Huatli2 Situationally: Obby (lose no creature objectives) Garruk (token/creatureless objectives) Saheeli (great for summon X creatures with Y power/toughness) ---
**Author:** ![donvnny45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f9b8f/32.png) [@donvnny45](https://forums.505go.com/u/donvnny45)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/26 "2018-09-11T20:00:40Z")
I’m very surprised at all of this. I have made dominant decks with Vraska and Nahiri in standard and legacy and yet, those 2 are my will and my word to Bolas. Bolas is by far the best pw in the game and granted, you do need a certain of rarity of cards to maximize his ability (aka: not for newbies) but the power of bolas is unmatched ---
**Author:** ![DBJones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dbjones/32/1022_2.png) [@DBJones](https://forums.505go.com/u/DBJones)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/27 "2018-09-11T21:16:47Z")
Teferi is my current favorite, but that’s mostly because I got lucky and got both Jhoira and Mox Amber in my first big batch of DOM cards. Then they changed Mox Amber so when I draw it with Jhoira and have both Capashen’s out it casts immediately. It’s most loopy standard deck I’ve made since Baral rotated out, plus it’s exiling everything my opponent has or making their hand more expensive at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![Aeroplane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/aeroplane/32/6092_2.png) [@Aeroplane](https://forums.505go.com/u/Aeroplane)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/28 "2018-09-13T03:07:06Z")
Having Omniscience and Whir , any blue PW for legacy will do and Karn. Bolas1 is elite as he can tap into HUF. In standard H2 can ramp well into Ghalta from the angel hoard from Lumi and Decree, Bolas1 , of course, and Bolas2 for the longer battles as his flip can pretty much seal the game. Tef is great like Bolas2 as his 3rd ability can shut down the AI. Kiora is so well rounded and as she covers green in Legacy . Finally, I’m going to add Sorin as his unique color combo for Vamp objectives is fun. ---
**Author:** ![Teysa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/teysa/32/5674_2.png) [@Teysa](https://forums.505go.com/u/Teysa)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/29 "2018-09-13T18:16:18Z")
The cards I’m running at the moment are so powerful that it’s kinda hard to tell, they dwarf the power of the PWs themselves. My top 2 would be Karn and Teferi, because they can both run both BSZ and Ascension. Kiora is still great, of course. I’m very fond of Jace2 as well - he has great abilities, scoring 3 for 3 on @Stormcrow 's list above^, and River’s Rebuke has fixed his only major weakness, which is an inability to deal with supports. ---
**Author:** ![UweTellkampf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/uwetellkampf/32/3963_2.png) [@UweTellkampf](https://forums.505go.com/u/UweTellkampf)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/30 "2018-09-16T08:18:37Z")
I have yet to lose a match with Chandra 2. Record: 2/2. ---
**Author:** ![bk1234](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/bk1234/32/4502_2.png) [@bk1234](https://forums.505go.com/u/bk1234)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/31 "2018-09-16T18:59:34Z")
> [@UweTellkampf](#): > > I have yet to lose a match with Chandra 2. Record: 2/2. Shut your mouth!! (Tezz1 will hear you!) ---
**Author:** ![ChainsawVigilante](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/chainsawvigilante/32/3362_2.png) [@ChainsawVigilante](https://forums.505go.com/u/ChainsawVigilante)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/32 "2018-09-16T20:48:57Z")
> [@UweTellkampf](#): > > I have yet to lose a match with Chandra 2. Record: 2/2. Chandra 2 is really good for the first level of Revolt Against The Consulate 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mburn7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mburn7/32/8216_2.png) [@Mburn7](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mburn7)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/33 "2018-09-17T02:39:36Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@UweTellkampf](#): > > > > I have yet to lose a match with Chandra 2. Record: 2/2. > > Shut your mouth!! (Tezz1 will hear you!) Hey, my Tezz 1 lockdown support deck is pretty good. I mean, he’s useless for anything else, but he does his one thing pretty well ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2018, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/34 "2018-09-17T14:04:41Z")
> [@Mburn7](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > > [@UweTellkampf](#): > > > > > > I have yet to lose a match with Chandra 2. Record: 2/2. > > > > Shut your mouth!! (Tezz1 will hear you!) > > Hey, my Tezz 1 lockdown support deck is pretty good. I mean, he’s useless for anything else, but he does his one thing pretty well Once Upon a Time…he had the best mana gains in the game. He’s still super scary in legacy with Omniscience, but you could probably say a similar thing about most planeswalkers… …except Huati1. She was yesterday’s potatoes even before she was released. ---
**Author:** ![arNero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@arNero](https://forums.505go.com/u/arNero)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278/35 "2018-09-21T15:54:45Z")
God Pharaoh Bolas, full stop. His access to massive amount of cards and combos are insane, his 1st abiility is ridiculous, and he even has monstrous HP on top of that. Next strongest… Not sure. Koth currently is insane due to the Dragon synergy, but without that he’s kinda so and so, but I believe still dangerous. Kiora is one of the best walker from the start. Ob Nixilis is one of the best creatureless walker around, although disastrously vulnerable to Lich’s Mastery. [Previous page](https://forums.505go.com/t/mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-who-is-the-best-planeswalker-of-them-all/46278.md?page=1)