Hi all. I’m forever in search of the best defensive team for pvp. Can anyone tell me how hood/sentry/daken rates? With the variety of 3*'s available, no team is unbeatable but I think this one would be annoying, induce skipping and would get the odd defensive win. Can anyone with this as their current pvp team comment on its success rate? I’m sitting on a pile of iso and hp that I’ve been saving for fury but may invest it here instead. I already have 141 hood, cmags, patch, lthor, hulk, pun. My current go to is hood+cmags+lthor/pun which is great fun to use but doesn’t scare anyone off.
Oh and I think once cmags is nerfed (whenever that will be), hood/sentry/daken will be even more effective. As it stands I think mags is the best counter against this team with his cheap ap board manipulation and destruction.
Or if you have any other good defensive pvp teams, let me know
The amount of hitpoints on a Lazythor/Sentry/Hulk team would likely make me press skip.
I don’t have/haven’t come across a maxed-out Hood/Sentry/LDaken team yet. So I can’t say for sure. However, I wouldn’t hesitate to attack that team if it were worth a nice amount of points.
Really true that no team is unbeatable. Even how good they are, sometimes they will be beaten. But if you are a good defensive team less percentage that you will be beaten. As what they says, offense will make a team wins but defense make the team champions.
For def purpose, my choice is LT/FalKen (Falcon + LDaken), and they are my “holy trinity” in shield training.
Here’s why :
Several “inspiration” buffed strike tiles damage 600+ (up to 1K+) per move (depends on how many buffed strike tiles), means it could take down 3K char in several moves esp OBW (usually take her down 1st w/o skill).
Also improved LT/LD damage skill for example : 141 LT “thunder strike” from 1.9K to 2.5K, again it depends on how many buffed strike tiles on board.
No color stacked for active skill : R/Y/G/Blu/P.
LT is fat, LD self heal.
Apponents have to deny this color :
> Yellow : to prevent “thunder strike” and “inspiration”
> Blue : to prevent “chemical reaction” and to activate “heat”
> Purple : to prevent “bird strike”
> Green : well, cannot deny this actually.
Falcon is the weakest and prolly 1st to die, but that after he buffed several strike tiles and provide B/Y for LT/LD.
in my experience in shield training S2, 141 LT + 128 FalKen have more winning frequency and less attacked rather than 141 BP/ 141 LT/ 128 LD in shield training. Prolly because BP “battle plan” will prevent “thunder strike-call the storm” chains.
Mainly becoz LT+FalKen can kill w/o using active skills.
A couple of things to the responses im seeing here:
Any team sporting lazythor is probably just strictly inferior to a team with sentry. Sentry covers the same colors, is just as tanky, has a similar amount of damage in red/green, and simply is a lot faster than thor due to his green being so absurdly cheap. Sentry is pretty clearly the best defensive guy in the game right now, and should be built around as such.
Ive been trying out the falcon/daken/lt team as well, and ive been seeing the opposite response of it losing me a ton of defensive games as compared to something like lt/bp/hood. I think the problem wih falcon is he isnt aiproof. In order for falcon to do acceptable amounts of damage, the ai specifically has to match green for daken tiles and then chain yellows early in the match, which is pretty hard for the ai to do i think. Coupled with the fact that the guy only has 2/3rds of the hp of your best alternatives, it doesnt make sense to take him over someone like bp where 12 black at any stage in the game will almost straight up win you the game.
I think that the best defensive duo in the game is sentry/daken due to the extremely ai-proof strategy of free strike tiles + world rupture: the problem is finding a good third. Ideally this third would have purple/black active abilities and not have a red/green ability to mess up sentry, but that character simply doesnt exist in the game yet. Bp has some of these qualities, so hes probably the best defensive third to pair with sentry/daken right now.
This is a very good team, but I suppose that if you change LThor for Sentry, the team could be even better.
For me I think the best team is Daken+Sentry+Hood. This team just needs to do some greens and it will win, and if the other team tries to deny green, then Hood will be able to steal some green from them so the other team has a very tough time denying you any color.
What scares me the most is that I think that soon all the teams will be something like LThor/Sentry + Daken + Hood/Falcon/Spidey/OBW/Fury, and then this game will be really boring in PvP.
The Hood is the answer to your question.
PS: I don’t know why people keeps saying that Hulk is good in defense. Maybe he was good in the past, but right now you can kill him with two or three attacks, and when he is hit he produces the strongest color in the game (food for LThor and Sentry, strike for daken, etc.). When I see Hulk now in a team I always attack him, and I always win, and without any significant harm to my team. And Hulk is completly useless in attack, so why use him?
Hoods an interesting one, but id be worried about the prevalence of daken in the meta dtrictly countering hoods low hp. Bp feels safer to me, but i may be wrong. Your comment about hood stealing greens doesnt always work out in practice i think: if theyre denying green then there probably wont be enough green tiles on board to allow hood to steal green.
I think the idea behind hulk isn’t so much that he’s dangerous, but that he’s a huge pile of hp that takes a while to chew through. I know personally I don’t hesitate to attack a hulk team early on, but when at 800+ and starting to see attacks I’d rather not have to spend the extra couple minutes gathering ap and take on another team I can beat a little quicker.
The problem with hulk is if you miscalculate killing him and you end up with 7 anger tiles on the board about to own you. Especially when you used a patch bezerker rage so every anger does 500 damage to the whole team.
I honestly think no defensive team is complete without Hulk. He’s just… perfect. Nobody wants to slog through that, if you kill him too fast you have to deal with anger, and he has great synergy with Ldaken, LThor, and Sentry.
Shield Bro seems to wrangle hulk quite nicely. The stun can prevent anger all together, the shield tiles minimize any match damage, and then it is just a matter of throwing the correct number of red shields
Regarding hulk, i think the issue is that as you can see, some people simply arent intimidated by him. Yes hes annoying to play against and yes, it takes forever to kill him. However, the people who actually attack your team will kill your team more often than not because hulk simply isnt that great at dealing damage. You might see less attacks with hulk on defense, but i feel like youre going to lose a lot more points with hulk than with someone else simply because the people who attack you are probably going to kill you more often.
Maybe it’s just because I’m always using either 3/5/5 Punisher or 3/5/5 LT, but Hulk is pretty easily dispatched just by saving up for 3-ish abilities (and maxed, you can do match damage against him without worrying about anger). On the other hand max Hood or max Daken + another scary hero (Sentry or LT maybe) are way more likely to make me skip them.
To the guy asking about LT and BP together, that’s one of the problems with that pairing - the AI will most often end up using Battleplan, which is obviously less than ideal. It makes CotS much less reliable to go off too. It’s still a somewhat intimidating pairing for most people and a ton of HP, but a smart player will deny black and green and win pretty easily.
