# No Clearance Levels in Heroic Juggernaut... **URL:** \ **Category:** MPQ General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 25, 2016, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646 "2016-09-25T12:04:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Spiritclaw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/spiritclaw/32/8157_2.png) [@Spiritclaw](https://forums.505go.com/u/Spiritclaw)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/41 "2016-09-25T22:45:52Z")
I skipped Rocket and Groot, figuring I’d play the next one with clearance levels. Dissapointed. ![icon_e_sad.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/d/dec89758d5cdb6af674674dd0ec5ff3d149d9483.gif) ---
**Author:** ![El\_Satanno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/el_satanno/32/9110_2.png) [@El\_Satanno](https://forums.505go.com/u/El_Satanno)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2016, 11:13pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/42 "2016-09-25T23:13:37Z")
> [@simonsez](#): > > What other information is needed before the OP should’ve made this thread? You click the “preview awards button” and there are no clearance levels. We don’t need to form a committee to look into this any further. I disagree. I think a committee is definitely what is needed. Everyone, please register for the Clearance Level Disappearance Committee with me. I will act as chairperson until a quorum can be met and a proper election process can be executed. /s ---
**Author:** ![Knaaks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Knaaks](https://forums.505go.com/u/Knaaks)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/43 "2016-09-26T00:53:17Z")
> [@Polares](#): > > > [@Quebbster](#): > > > > Guess a Cage progression cover would have been too much to hope for… > > Is this going to be the standard for new releases? No Clearance Levels for a week in PvE? > > Yeah I was thinking the same. I dont think it would hurt Devs at all to give one cover ‘for free’ If anything, it would probably help them. One cover is basically unusable, but how many people wouldn’t have 1000 HP and would throw them a couple bucks to roster the new Luke Cage, I wonder. ---
**Author:** ![Quebbster](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/quebbster/32/5681_2.png) [@Quebbster](https://forums.505go.com/u/Quebbster)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/44 "2016-09-26T01:08:03Z")
> [@hodayathink](#): > > > [@simonsez](#): > > > > > [@hodayathink](#): > > > > > > You mean the forum overreacted before having all the information? > > > > What other information is needed before the OP should’ve made this thread? You click the “preview awards button” and there are no clearance levels. We don’t need to form a committee to look into this any further. > > Actually, if you go check the Rocket & Groot thread, I posted about this exact issue [a little bit after the OP created this thread](https://forums.505go.com/discussion/51454). I’m just not gonna get mad about “them ditching clearance levels” or anything else like that until they actually come in explain what happened (or at the very least, I’ll wait until the end of Monday to make sure that they won’t). There’s all the time in the world to get upset/annoyed/angry, I’m just not going to do it until I’ve given them some time to say something (as I don’t expect them to do it on the weekend). FWIW I’m not Mad, just disappointed. Not really about Cage though - I want the Elite tokens as alliance sub rewards instead of standard tokens. Now it’s a whole week without them. ---
**Author:** ![hodayathink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/bcef8e/32.png) [@hodayathink](https://forums.505go.com/u/hodayathink)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/45 "2016-09-26T01:30:39Z")
> [@Quebbster](#): > > FWIW I’m not Mad, just disappointed. Not really about Cage though - I want the Elite tokens as alliance sub rewards instead of standard tokens. Now it’s a whole week without them. I agree. I’m not much for chasing new character releases. Truthfully, most of the time lately I’ve been intentionally trying to finish in the top 200 to get the three star cover as I’d rather have that then have to give up a roster spot for one cover, as I’ve never done better than about top 75 in a new release and even that takes more grinding than I’d like to do. But the extra elite tokens would have been nice for farming, and the extra fist cover would have been really nice as he’s one of my most used characters. ---
**Author:** ![WEBGAS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/webgas/32/7106_2.png) [@WEBGAS](https://forums.505go.com/u/WEBGAS)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/46 "2016-09-26T02:43:47Z")
> [@Quebbster](#): > > Guess a Cage progression cover would have been too much to hope for… > Is this going to be the standard for new releases? No Clearance Levels for a week in PvE? One step forward…two steps back ![icon_cry.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/3/32f6ceaa7d5688cd07af33175e20b625b60d84be.gif) First you gave us a glance of what we were asking for months (more iso, awards on progression basis) …then you suddenly took it away : are you happy Devs? WE ARE NOT ![icon_evil.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/8/88915eaf064987be68e8ea062849d19f49234711.gif) ![icon_twisted.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/7/7fc2d9cf701d2c2c22729238172e5be83405063f.gif) ---
**Author:** ![ammenell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/aca169/32.png) [@ammenell](https://forums.505go.com/u/ammenell)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/47 "2016-09-26T03:01:47Z")
don’t care - the fact 90% of my roster is locked out is enough to skip. no clearance levels and hilarious rewards are just a bonus ---
**Author:** ![rkd80](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f19dbf/32.png) [@rkd80](https://forums.505go.com/u/rkd80)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/48 "2016-09-26T03:14:10Z")
Of all the events to do this, the Heroic I would think would be the one where they introduce the progression award for new release and then observe how many of us have enough self hate to fight for it. For the record, no shame here, I would do it - especially given that x23/thora are boosted, but now it is far more tempting to just bracket snipe and forget the agony altogether. ---
**Author:** ![MaskedMan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/maskedman/32/7941_2.png) [@MaskedMan](https://forums.505go.com/u/MaskedMan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/49 "2016-09-26T03:37:31Z")
Going back to old reward system is harsh. On top of the 4\* cover thing is is the Player rating system where you go from getting multiple elites to getting a 2\* cover. “OH hit me again.” I’d rather see it removed than see that. One hopes this is either a mistake or due to issues with the release. You can’t roll back that big a change without backlash. This isn’t like Bagvenom, where they nerfed Venom so hard he is now immune to Penance Stare because it only effects character who do damage. This effects one whole side of the game. We at least need some word on what is going on. I am guessing Devs have to pass everything they say past management and marketing before posting but they had the whole last event to work on that. ---
**Author:** ![Pessi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/pessi/32/3101_2.png) [@Pessi](https://forums.505go.com/u/Pessi)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/50 "2016-09-26T03:58:33Z")
My main issue is that the R&G event was stated to be non clearance because they were looking at the scores needed for maximum progression. What I don’t like is that this clearly wasn’t the case, and that it was serupticiously to prevent to many covers for a new four star being given away. That’s how it looks anyway I am on target to get a cage cover, but losing the extra hp, 3\* covers and iso from clearance level 7 is shame, and a bigger loss than the cage cover alone. Don’t introduce a new feature if you’re not going to stick to it. Lack of communication is not an acceptable excuse. ---
**Author:** ![Crowl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@Crowl](https://forums.505go.com/u/Crowl)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 7:19am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/51 "2016-09-26T07:19:05Z")
> [@mpqr7](#): > > Surely it can’t be a pattern that there are no scl for both the new release pve and the following pve. If you don’t want to give away the new release as progression in the following pve, then just give away a random 4\* instead. You could sort of understand there being unexpected consequences with a new release that merited delaying SCL for a new release, but it does seem so silly for them to do it for the subsequent pve too. ---
**Author:** ![Nick441234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Nick441234](https://forums.505go.com/u/Nick441234)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/52 "2016-09-26T07:48:11Z")
The Heroic events are annoying enough without also having CL’s taken away too. ---
**Author:** ![mpqr7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mpqr7/32/3639_2.png) [@mpqr7](https://forums.505go.com/u/mpqr7)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 8:34am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/53 "2016-09-26T08:34:53Z")
Moving forward, it should be: 1. New Release has SCL 2. Next Event has SCL, features the 4\* from the New Release PVE (ie not the new 4\* but the one rewarded for that PVE itself, ie Mr. Fantastic in this particular case). For me, I had given up on PVE before SCL, due to the lack of sufficient rewards for my effort. I absolutely love SCL, but when it’s removed, I see little reason to play. So it’s not that I’m stopping playing due to SCL being removed, it’s that I had already stopped before SCL was added, and now I’m only playing when SCL is added in. ---
**Author:** ![Meander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/meander/32/3688_2.png) [@Meander](https://forums.505go.com/u/Meander)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 8:52am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/54 "2016-09-26T08:52:29Z")
This was greatly disappointing to see, but not overly surprising. Don’t forget, T minus 1 week to “you are supposed to lose” ---
**Author:** ![OneLastGambit](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/onelastgambit/32/6467_2.png) [@OneLastGambit](https://forums.505go.com/u/OneLastGambit)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/55 "2016-09-26T09:44:41Z")
Honestly I’m not even bothered about the cover…I want the iso/hp/tokens from CL7. Playing this new release pve reminded me how utterly inadequate to my needs the old reward structure is.. ---
**Author:** ![Wjohnson992](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f1d935/32.png) [@Wjohnson992](https://forums.505go.com/u/Wjohnson992)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/56 "2016-09-26T09:56:06Z")
> [@mpqr7](#): > > Moving forward, it should be: > > 1. New Release has SCL > 2. Next Event has SCL, features the 4\* from the New Release PVE (ie not the new 4\* but the one rewarded for that PVE itself, ie Mr. Fantastic in this particular case). > > For me, I had given up on PVE before SCL, due to the lack of sufficient rewards for my effort. I absolutely love SCL, but when it’s removed, I see little reason to play. > > So it’s not that I’m stopping playing due to SCL being removed, it’s that I had already stopped before SCL was added, and now I’m only playing when SCL is added in. I’d have been happy if it was told in advance. No more than the PVE scaling change quitely dissapearing into the sunset this has quietly dissapeared. ---
**Author:** ![mpqr7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mpqr7/32/3639_2.png) [@mpqr7](https://forums.505go.com/u/mpqr7)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/57 "2016-09-26T10:08:23Z")
> [@OneLastGambit](#): > > Honestly I’m not even bothered about the cover…I want the iso/hp/tokens from CL7. Playing this new release pve reminded me how utterly inadequate to my needs the old reward structure is.. Exactly! I don’t need to win a brand new 4\* character through progression. But I do need to feel like the rewards are in line with the amount of ISO/hp/tokens I need, based on the fact that I’ve been grinding for well over 2 years, and my enemy scaling is off the charts. ---
**Author:** ![MPQ\_Daywalker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mpq_daywalker/32/5796_2.png) [@MPQ\_Daywalker](https://forums.505go.com/u/MPQ_Daywalker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/58 "2016-09-26T10:10:10Z")
> [@El Satanno](#): > > > [@simonsez](#): > > > > What other information is needed before the OP should’ve made this thread? You click the “preview awards button” and there are no clearance levels. We don’t need to form a committee to look into this any further. > > I disagree. I think a committee is definitely what is needed. Everyone, please register for the Clearance Level Disappearance Committee with me. I will act as chairperson until a quorum can be met and a proper election process can be executed. > > /s I would like to formally announce my desire to join the Clearance Level Disappearance Committee. As a first order of business I motion that we form a subcommittee, in charge of Obtaining a Response from D3/Demiurge. Once a response is obtained (whether it’s “We forgot to turn on SCL for this event and it auto-started over the weekend”, “We weren’t ready to do SCL for a Heroic” or “We aren’t going to do SCL after new character releases”) then that response will be communicated from the subcommittee to the main committee. Then the Clearance Level Disappearance Committee can vote on their response to D3/Demiurge. I propose that some possible responses would include “Oh OK; can we have some compensation?” and “Can you just give everyone who plays this Heroic to full progression a 4\* Luke Cage cover?” ---
**Author:** ![broll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/broll/32/2875_2.png) [@broll](https://forums.505go.com/u/broll)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/59 "2016-09-26T11:17:10Z")
> [@Punisher5784](#): > > > [@Quebbster](#): > > > > Guess a Cage progression cover would have been too much to hope for… > > Is this going to be the standard for new releases? No Clearance Levels for a week in PvE? > > Guess they don’t want to sell roster slots… I’ll never understand this. Give us the freaking cover. We can’t do anything with 1 cover anyway and everyone will need to buy a roster slot cause acquiring 1000 HP is not easy with a new release every other week. This is disappointing. Pretty much this. I was planning to go CL6 if the new cover was in this event because I don’t want to buy HP. I assumed they were aggressively throwing new characters at us to sell HP, but if you make them hard to get when they first come out that kinda makes that business plan less effective. ---
**Author:** ![broll](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/broll/32/2875_2.png) [@broll](https://forums.505go.com/u/broll)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2016, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646/60 "2016-09-26T11:18:59Z")
> [@hodayathink](#): > > > [@Quebbster](#): > > > > FWIW I’m not Mad, just disappointed. Not really about Cage though - I want the Elite tokens as alliance sub rewards instead of standard tokens. Now it’s a whole week without them. > > I agree. I’m not much for chasing new character releases. Truthfully, most of the time lately I’ve been intentionally trying to finish in the top 200 to get the three star cover as I’d rather have that then have to give up a roster spot for one cover, as I’ve never done better than about top 75 in a new release and even that takes more grinding than I’d like to do. But the extra elite tokens would have been nice for farming, and the extra fist cover would have been really nice as he’s one of my most used characters. I originally was going to skip Rocket and Groot, but ultimately ended up doing this strategy cause i couldn’t pass up an IF cover. [Previous page](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.505go.com/t/no-clearance-levels-in-heroic-juggernaut/28646.md?page=4)