# Secretly nerfed 2\*s? **URL:** \ **Category:** MPQ General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 24, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/secretly-nerfed-2-s/25183 "2016-05-24T15:17:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 2\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Didgeridork](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Didgeridork](https://forums.505go.com/u/Didgeridork)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/secretly-nerfed-2-s/25183/1 "2016-05-24T15:17:35Z")
So I tried finding a post on this and can’t but has anyone else noticed 2\* human torches red does less damage now? I have him max champed at level 144 and he used to do I believe 2799 damage or thereabouts. Now he does 2200 damage (5 red covers). I use him all the time in dpd and today is the first time I noticed the decrease. Am I going mad or has anyone else noticed this? I’d understand a nerf since max champing them has made dpd a lot easier but usually there’s an announcement first… ---
**Author:** ![Pylgrim](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/pylgrim/32/9083_2.png) [@Pylgrim](https://forums.505go.com/u/Pylgrim)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/secretly-nerfed-2-s/25183/2 "2016-05-24T21:55:02Z")
> [@Didgeridork](#): > > So I tried finding a post on this and can’t but has anyone else noticed 2\* human torches red does less damage now? I have him max champed at level 144 and he used to do I believe 2799 damage or thereabouts. Now he does 2200 damage (5 red covers). I use him all the time in dpd and today is the first time I noticed the decrease. Am I going mad or has anyone else noticed this? I’d understand a nerf since max champing them has made dpd a lot easier but usually there’s an announcement first… Haven’t noticed this. Maybe you got to used to see that value while he was “powered up” for a week? 600+ additional damage sounds about right what they gain when they are buffed.