Support removal choosing Treasures needs to stop

[Laeuftbeidir]

@Rhasget

Is there a way to stop/slow supportdecks from casting at all?

I would like to build a deck to avoid getting hit by some ETB effects from supports.
Wryn Nightmare is the only card I can come up with directly and Divest can discard a support (but also a creature so not reliable).
There are a few cards that specifically drains creature mana and spell mana and with AKH you had Disposess that could slow a support deck but that is gone.

That could be dispossess, a card I don’t like to use.. But if I knew I’d face a lockdown heavy deck, I’d consider it

[Dobby]

@Laeuftbeidir

@Rhasget

Is there a way to stop/slow supportdecks from casting at all?

I would like to build a deck to avoid getting hit by some ETB effects from supports.
Wryn Nightmare is the only card I can come up with directly and Divest can discard a support (but also a creature so not reliable).
There are a few cards that specifically drains creature mana and spell mana and with AKH you had Disposess that could slow a support deck but that is gone.

That could be dispossess, a card I don’t like to use.. But if I knew I’d face a lockdown heavy deck, I’d consider it

Insidious Will was a fun card to play with, it would be nice to see another one of those turn up in Standard.

[DBJones]

@wereotter

@DBJones

@Kinesia

@Brakkis

@Mburn7

I agree its annoying, but it was the same thing with clues. Just need to find a workaround (destroy multiple at once, if possible).

And as far as I know the only card that still targets the indestructible ones is Demolish, which is definitely a bug

Nissa’s Defeat likes those indestructible supports too.

From what I could see Zhalfarin’s Void could be targetted by anything including creatures where previous invulnerable supports were only targettable by demolish. So demolish has a problem but also that particular invulnerable support seems different from the previous ones.

We REALLY need some support destruction that is not just “destroy opponents support” but rather “destroy non-token support” or “destroy support with more than 1 shield” etc. These are easy to code and add variety.

Nah, I was talking about the RtO supports when I mentioned Nissa’s Defeat messing me up by targeting them (it happened on Monday specifically). I’ve also seen those Origins elves repeatedly target the indestructible supports, though that was a couple weeks ago.

I don’t think support destroy targets the unkillable node supports, but Nissa’s Defeat will always cast even without a support in play to just draw a card.

In the most recent RtO, I tried to use Nissa’s Defeat to kill enemy supports repeatedly. Sometimes it worked, a few times it hit their indestructible support, once it even hit my indestructible support. All of these times my opponent had at least one support on the board.

[arNero]

Oh, yeah, I primarily HATE those support destructions that target indestructible supports.

[madwren]

@Dobby

@Laeuftbeidir

@Rhasget

Is there a way to stop/slow supportdecks from casting at all?

I would like to build a deck to avoid getting hit by some ETB effects from supports.
Wryn Nightmare is the only card I can come up with directly and Divest can discard a support (but also a creature so not reliable).
There are a few cards that specifically drains creature mana and spell mana and with AKH you had Disposess that could slow a support deck but that is gone.

That could be dispossess, a card I don’t like to use.. But if I knew I’d face a lockdown heavy deck, I’d consider it

Insidious Will was a fun card to play with, it would be nice to see another one of those turn up in Standard.

I use Jace’s Defeat in some decks. It’s not as powerful but it’s fun, especially with Nyx.

[madwren]

One of the cards I said I’d miss the most when Amonkhet rotated out was By Force. Man, do I miss it now.

The inability to target specific supports has always been one of the worst features of this game; it took a primary strategic element of the original game and reduced it to a lottery.

[Gilesclone]

@DBJones

@wereotter

@DBJones

@Kinesia

@Brakkis

@Mburn7

I agree its annoying, but it was the same thing with clues. Just need to find a workaround (destroy multiple at once, if possible).

And as far as I know the only card that still targets the indestructible ones is Demolish, which is definitely a bug

Nissa’s Defeat likes those indestructible supports too.

From what I could see Zhalfarin’s Void could be targetted by anything including creatures where previous invulnerable supports were only targettable by demolish. So demolish has a problem but also that particular invulnerable support seems different from the previous ones.

We REALLY need some support destruction that is not just “destroy opponents support” but rather “destroy non-token support” or “destroy support with more than 1 shield” etc. These are easy to code and add variety.

Nah, I was talking about the RtO supports when I mentioned Nissa’s Defeat messing me up by targeting them (it happened on Monday specifically). I’ve also seen those Origins elves repeatedly target the indestructible supports, though that was a couple weeks ago.

I don’t think support destroy targets the unkillable node supports, but Nissa’s Defeat will always cast even without a support in play to just draw a card.

In the most recent RtO, I tried to use Nissa’s Defeat to kill enemy supports repeatedly. Sometimes it worked, a few times it hit their indestructible support, once it even hit my indestructible support. All of these times my opponent had at least one support on the board.

I played ND on 4.3 and it targeted the black indestructible gem (technically mine) every single time. I swapped it out for one of the newer ones. Its totally bugged.