# Teferi will be in the next vault, but where is Karn? **URL:** \ **Category:** MtGPQ General Discussion\ **Tags:** vaults, teferi\ **Created:** [June 21, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867 "2018-06-21T16:16:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mark\_Tedin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mark_tedin/32/2401_2.png) [@Mark\_Tedin](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mark_Tedin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/1 "2018-06-21T16:16:32Z")
Karn was released before, but just Teferi will be in next vault. What’s happened? ---
**Author:** ![Mburn7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mburn7/32/8216_2.png) [@Mburn7](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mburn7)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 4:22pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/2 "2018-06-21T16:22:04Z")
> [@Mark\_Tedin](#): > > Karn was was released before, but just Teferi will be in next vault. What’s happened? Check out the other threads for this, but the short answer is: When Karn was up for sale the devs said that he would be exclusive for longer than usual. Best guess is he will be the last of the 3 to make it to the vault. ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Tedin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mark_tedin/32/2401_2.png) [@Mark\_Tedin](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mark_Tedin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/3 "2018-06-21T16:42:54Z")
Yes. But the time is much higher than the estimated. Something may be wrong. Note: I wish more Teferi than karn 😃 ---
**Author:** ![James13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/james13/32/7129_2.png) [@James13](https://forums.505go.com/u/James13)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/4 "2018-06-21T17:10:04Z")
> [@Mark\_Tedin](#): > > Yes. But the time is much higher than the estimated. Something may be wrong. > Note: I wish more Teferi than karn 😃 Estimated by whom? Commenters in the community? There was never an estimate. ---
**Author:** ![Rhasget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Rhasget](https://forums.505go.com/u/Rhasget)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/5 "2018-06-21T17:21:14Z")
‘After the May 23rd date, Karn, Scion of Urza won’t be available in the Vault for Mana Crystals just yet until a later, not-yet-announced date. This date will be longer than previously released Planeswalkers, which tended to be 3 weeks after conclusion of bundle sale.’ The above was written in the release notes for 2.6. This is the only official info about the release of Karn sofar. ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/6 "2018-06-21T19:28:47Z")
This is actually sheds a lot of light on the situation, and a bit of relief for me. Basically it seems that Karn is Octagon’s special planewalker-baby and won’t be available to us for a while (I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-released him for cash-purchase only), but the other planeswalkers will continue to be released a month-ish after they are no longer available for cash. I’m really glad about this honestly because I was afraid they were going to this exclusive-Karn strategy for all of the new planeswalkers and this would become more of a pay-to-play game. I can do without Karn, but I don’t want to have to pay cash for every new planeswalker or have to wait half a year or more before I can get crystal purchase access. ---
**Author:** ![Rhasget](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/258eb7/32.png) [@Rhasget](https://forums.505go.com/u/Rhasget)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/7 "2018-06-21T19:39:28Z")
I wouldn’t mind if they had one exclusive PW/set with an extended time before hitting the vault. As long as it isn’t evidently better and gives an edge over f2p players that is. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzoMtGPQ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/grizzomtgpq/32/2810_2.png) [@GrizzoMtGPQ](https://forums.505go.com/u/GrizzoMtGPQ)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/8 "2018-06-21T19:57:46Z")
> [@FindingHeart8](#): > > This is actually sheds a lot of light on the situation, and a bit of relief for me. > > Basically it seems that Karn is Octagon’s special planewalker-baby and won’t be available to us for a while (I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-released him for cash-purchase only), but the other planeswalkers will continue to be released a month-ish after they are no longer available for cash. > > I’m really glad about this honestly because I was afraid they were going to this exclusive-Karn strategy for all of the new planeswalkers and this would become more of a pay-to-play game. I can do without Karn, but I don’t want to have to pay cash for every new planeswalker or have to wait half a year or more before I can get crystal purchase access. You can’t do without Karn. Just wait till you get him. You’ll never say that again. ---
**Author:** ![DumasAG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dumasag/32/8058_2.png) [@DumasAG](https://forums.505go.com/u/DumasAG)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/9 "2018-06-21T20:28:37Z")
> [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > This is actually sheds a lot of light on the situation, and a bit of relief for me. > > > > Basically it seems that Karn is Octagon’s special planewalker-baby and won’t be available to us for a while (I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-released him for cash-purchase only), but the other planeswalkers will continue to be released a month-ish after they are no longer available for cash. > > > > I’m really glad about this honestly because I was afraid they were going to this exclusive-Karn strategy for all of the new planeswalkers and this would become more of a pay-to-play game. I can do without Karn, but I don’t want to have to pay cash for every new planeswalker or have to wait half a year or more before I can get crystal purchase access. > > You can’t do without Karn. Just wait till you get him. You’ll never say that again. Just make sure that before you get him you have a kajillion runes, or else he’ll be stuck at a low lever for-ev-er ---
**Author:** ![Mburn7](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/mburn7/32/8216_2.png) [@Mburn7](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mburn7)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/10 "2018-06-21T21:39:31Z")
> [@DumasAG](#): > > > [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > > > This is actually sheds a lot of light on the situation, and a bit of relief for me. > > > > > > Basically it seems that Karn is Octagon’s special planewalker-baby and won’t be available to us for a while (I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-released him for cash-purchase only), but the other planeswalkers will continue to be released a month-ish after they are no longer available for cash. > > > > > > I’m really glad about this honestly because I was afraid they were going to this exclusive-Karn strategy for all of the new planeswalkers and this would become more of a pay-to-play game. I can do without Karn, but I don’t want to have to pay cash for every new planeswalker or have to wait half a year or more before I can get crystal purchase access. > > > > You can’t do without Karn. Just wait till you get him. You’ll never say that again. > > Just make sure that before you get him you have a kajillion runes, or else he’ll be stuck at a low lever for-ev-er Yeah, he really is pretty useless until level 40, and doesn’t get great until 50 (when his first hits level 3 and 4, respectably) Not that I wouldn’t recommend getting him of course, just be warned he isn’t an insta-op button like some people seem to believe ---
**Author:** ![DBJones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dbjones/32/1022_2.png) [@DBJones](https://forums.505go.com/u/DBJones)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2018, 10:01pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/11 "2018-06-21T22:01:11Z")
I had a lot of fun running him at lower levels with mostly or all colorless cards. On a colorless node he’s very powerful at any level 6 (when he gets his first ability, I think) or above. I’m really looking forward to playing with Tefari too, I’ve got enough runes saved that I could max him immediately if I wanted to. ---
**Author:** ![Kinesia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/50afbb/32.png) [@Kinesia](https://forums.505go.com/u/Kinesia)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:38am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/12 "2018-06-22T01:38:29Z")
I got him to level 34 or 35 just because I wanted to add an extra spell to an already working awesome deck. While he clearly gets even better later I absolutely wouldn’t say he’s useless until 40. ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/13 "2018-06-22T13:14:29Z")
> [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > This is actually sheds a lot of light on the situation, and a bit of relief for me. > > > > Basically it seems that Karn is Octagon’s special planewalker-baby and won’t be available to us for a while (I wouldn’t be surprised if they re-released him for cash-purchase only), but the other planeswalkers will continue to be released a month-ish after they are no longer available for cash. > > > > I’m really glad about this honestly because I was afraid they were going to this exclusive-Karn strategy for all of the new planeswalkers and this would become more of a pay-to-play game. I can do without Karn, but I don’t want to have to pay cash for every new planeswalker or have to wait half a year or more before I can get crystal purchase access. > > You can’t do without Karn. Just wait till you get him. You’ll never say that again. haha guess ignorance is bliss 😉 I’m sure when he has access to all colors he’s quite a force to be reckoned with, I just can’t see him as a mono-colored walker being much more than a late-game beast. Outside of PvE events, the edge of battle seems to favor the fast-aggressive player. ---
**Author:** ![arNero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e9bcb4/32.png) [@arNero](https://forums.505go.com/u/arNero)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/14 "2018-06-22T13:32:04Z")
I mostly want Karn if only because, if I can’t make a good deck for him, at least I can sacrifice him to master my cards. You know, for due to being a planeswalker who can play all cards. ---
**Author:** ![GrizzoMtGPQ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/grizzomtgpq/32/2810_2.png) [@GrizzoMtGPQ](https://forums.505go.com/u/GrizzoMtGPQ)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/15 "2018-06-22T13:38:34Z")
I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/16 "2018-06-22T13:41:46Z")
> [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. yeah that’s what I suspected. Good to hear some confirmation on that theory tho 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![bk1234](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/bk1234/32/4502_2.png) [@bk1234](https://forums.505go.com/u/bk1234)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:17pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/17 "2018-06-22T18:17:49Z")
> [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > > I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. > > yeah that’s what I suspected. Good to hear some confirmation on that theory tho 🙂 I’m actually running a mono green deck in him now. I didn’t think it would work, but getting that +7 on green and running growing rites is pretty much insane. ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/18 "2018-06-22T18:51:15Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > > [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > > > > I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. > > > > yeah that’s what I suspected. Good to hear some confirmation on that theory tho 🙂 > > I’m actually running a mono green deck in him now. I didn’t think it would work, but getting that +7 on green and running growing rites is pretty much insane. oh I’m sure you found a way to make him quite powerful! But that’s at least 7 turns for the +7 on green though, isn’t it? Generally I aim to have my opponent defeated by turn 7 lol. ---
**Author:** ![James13](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/james13/32/7129_2.png) [@James13](https://forums.505go.com/u/James13)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/19 "2018-06-22T18:58:43Z")
> [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > > > > [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > > > > > > I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. > > > > > > yeah that’s what I suspected. Good to hear some confirmation on that theory tho 🙂 > > > > I’m actually running a mono green deck in him now. I didn’t think it would work, but getting that +7 on green and running growing rites is pretty much insane. > > oh I’m sure you found a way to make him quite powerful! But that’s at least 7 turns for the +7 on green though, isn’t it? Generally I aim to have my opponent defeated by turn 7 lol. 3 loyalty1 to get +6 on-top of the initial +1. Not 7 turns, especially if you’re cascading green conversions. May be up on turn 4. ---
**Author:** ![FindingHeart8](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/findingheart8/32/2793_2.png) [@FindingHeart8](https://forums.505go.com/u/FindingHeart8)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2018, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867/20 "2018-06-22T19:00:25Z")
> [@James13](#): > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > > [@](#): > > > > > > > [@FindingHeart8](#): > > > > > > > > > [@GrizzoMtGPQ](#): > > > > > > > > > > I’d never use Karn on color locked node. He’s a PVE and all color walker exclusively. There are better choices when you have a color locked node. > > > > > > > > yeah that’s what I suspected. Good to hear some confirmation on that theory tho 🙂 > > > > > > I’m actually running a mono green deck in him now. I didn’t think it would work, but getting that +7 on green and running growing rites is pretty much insane. > > > > oh I’m sure you found a way to make him quite powerful! But that’s at least 7 turns for the +7 on green though, isn’t it? Generally I aim to have my opponent defeated by turn 7 lol. > > 3 loyalty1 to get +6 on-top of the initial +1. Not 7 turns, especially if you’re cascading green conversions. May be up on turn 4. ah, good to know! I’m still learning how he works (mostly because I dont own him yet 😉 ). That does make him seem better tho [Next page](https://forums.505go.com/t/teferi-will-be-in-the-next-vault-but-where-is-karn/44867.md?page=2)