This discussion was created from comments split from: A Breath of Fresh Air.
Out of curiosity, how is everyone planning to feel when the developers realize they made a horrible mistake and Nerf Rishkar’s Expertise into the ground?
Same as how we feel now with a overnerfed Baral. A big fat “I told you so.”
I had a thread on this before and rough consensus there was that it should provide half the green gems it currently does.
“Over-nerfed,” how so? Just curious as to your take. OT, I feel that the nerf for this card is not so much that it exists on its own, but the fact that other similar cards exist that would create a massive hike in mana generation when coupled with Rishkar’s “Pwnage”
I don’t think the removal of having him give 5 mana to every spell in your hand on casting was necessary. Even giving spells 3 mana in your hand on casting is fine. But now he’s not a ton better than Voracious Reader.
it is just another gem changer honestly that the ai wont work properly just actual people will really i think so it my be much ado about nothing i think
Just nerf the card.. I’ve seen the first reports of what it is capable of - might be worse than Baral in the right deck.
Nuuuu don’t it’s so fun!
The AI is notoriously bad at playing gem conversion. Let’s see if it’s a problem in PVP before throwing the book at it.
I’m on the record as saying the card is too strong. Half the gem conversion would be too harsh a nerf, however .
Actually I have a feeling it would still feel very strong at half the gem conversion.
You may have a point, with the way RatC 2.2 plays it, a lot of us didn’t even know it had the card. It’s going to make Kiora that much better, as if green needed any more ramp…
It’s really powerful but it’s partly capped by the fact that you can’t use it to its full power early in the game. Having to wait till your hand is full or near-full also limits its synergies with some cards (though still very much useable otherwise) though making it a really good complement for cards like Rashmi or Harness the Storm.
Amazing for Kiora of course with her Blue draw. But the other planeswalkers will need solid draw to make good use of Rishkar’s Expertise.
Still I feel like a nerf to it is in the best interests of the game. Considering it’s a pure ramp spell, possibly nerf it to convert 5+X gems where X is the number of cards in hand times 2 might be better. That way it is still a very strong mythic card but not as insane as it is now.
Pretty sure rhis card woyld be useful on round 1 or any other round after that.
Actually you’d be surprised. Casting it turn 1 really doesn’t do much. It helps your opponent more than you, you really gotta have at least 4 cards in hand when you cast it or it’s pretty lackluster.
You start with 2 cards, and cast it leaving one card in hand.
That’s not nearly as useful as when you have 4 cards in hand.
You get loyalty as well as mana. I hear some of the loyalty powers of planes walkers are pretty good.
Don’t forget you draw one at the start of the turn so when you cast RE, you have 2 cards in hand for a conversion of 8 Green gems… Which is still way off the card’s potential, agreed.
Yes but 8 gems converted isn’t going to gain you a lot of loyalty. Probably 0-2 on average with the max limit depending on the blessings of RNGesus. You’re better off waiting 2 or 3 turns more to cast it with double the effect. Also not casting anything for 2 to 3 turns early on can hurt your board state depending on your build.
Of course if you RE into Prism Array then Day’s Undoing for your starting hand chaining into a Fertile Thicket triggering Prism Array followed by second RE casting out the rest of your hand or chaining into another Day’s Undoing for the same antics then yeah RE was solid in that situation.
Did this actually happen to you? sounds like the dream. If we ever get a G/B walker imagine Rishkars Expertise with BtB? THAT would need a nerf.
Massive ramp cycle decks already exist. Inject RishkarEx into the cycle and it gets even more ridiculous.
You won’t see much resistance until people experience the AI spinning around in circles for 10 minutes in PVP events. Then you will see the mass cry for nerf.