# Using Karn's first ability counts towards losing creatures during HoD

**URL:** <https://forums.505go.com/t/using-karns-first-ability-counts-towards-losing-creatures-during-hod/47202>\
**Category:** MtGPQ Bugs & Technical Issues\
**Created:** [November 12, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/using-karns-first-ability-counts-towards-losing-creatures-during-hod/47202 "2018-11-12T21:28:09Z")\
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**Author:** ![BlessedOne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/blessedone/32/4434_2.png) [@BlessedOne](https://forums.505go.com/u/BlessedOne)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/using-karns-first-ability-counts-towards-losing-creatures-during-hod/47202/1 "2018-11-12T21:28:09Z")

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I used Karn on the left node in this past weekend’s HoD (Samut).  
I never lost a creature; however, my creature count was always 2 out of 3.  
Luckily it never reached 3.  
Seems that Karns first ability was dumping the unneeded creatures into Exile and they were being counted as lost.

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**Author:** ![Tombstone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/tombstone/32/3152_2.png) [@Tombstone](https://forums.505go.com/u/Tombstone)\
**Post date:** [November 12, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/using-karns-first-ability-counts-towards-losing-creatures-during-hod/47202/2 "2018-11-12T21:34:23Z")

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@BlessedOne  
I’d recommend sending a ticket to Customer Support so they can investigate this issue.

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**Author:** ![ManiiNames](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b782af/32.png) [@ManiiNames](https://forums.505go.com/u/ManiiNames)\
**Post date:** [November 13, 2018, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/using-karns-first-ability-counts-towards-losing-creatures-during-hod/47202/3 "2018-11-13T12:47:52Z")

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I saw this as well.