# Which goons are worse? **URL:** \ **Category:** MPQ General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 23, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483 "2017-03-23T21:07:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dormammu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dormammu/32/568_2.png) [@Dormammu](https://forums.505go.com/u/Dormammu)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/1 "2017-03-23T21:07:03Z")
Once and for all, we must decide which PvE goons are the worst to fight against; the ones you dread above all others. The ones that make you cringe with fear and make you run to your mommy like a whimpering child. ![icon_cry.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/3/32f6ceaa7d5688cd07af33175e20b625b60d84be.gif) We will decide like a proper democracy… by popular vote! ![icon_exclaim.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/c/c3fa648ac3746d967c4c4252049f3837f11f2aae.gif) (Or, we’ll just have fun debating the ones we love to hate.) ---
**Author:** ![PuceMoose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/pucemoose/32/5874_2.png) [@PuceMoose](https://forums.505go.com/u/PuceMoose)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/2 "2017-03-23T21:19:33Z")
SWARM! _waits five minutes for board to settle_ SWARM! _waits three minutes for board to settle (got lucky that time)_ SWARM! \*waits five minutes for board to settle. Okay, Okay guys I’ll leave your special tiles alone, geez! Give it a rest! _Core Meltdown/Feed the System_ Ahhhhh the bad guys are at full health and there’s 7 critical tiles exploding on the board ahhhhhh ---
**Author:** ![Dormammu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/dormammu/32/568_2.png) [@Dormammu](https://forums.505go.com/u/Dormammu)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/3 "2017-03-23T21:22:43Z")
> [@Puce Moose](#): > > SWARM! _waits five minutes for board to settle_ I know, right? Sometimes the worst part about goons is waiting three hours for their turns to resolve. Ninjas are like that - they’re the worst time-sink in the entire game. Right up there with Daken vs. Daken following a green match. ---
**Author:** ![STOPTHIS](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/stopthis/32/4648_2.png) [@STOPTHIS](https://forums.505go.com/u/STOPTHIS)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/4 "2017-03-23T21:22:59Z")
For me it’s a toss up between Symbiotes and Sentries. Muscles are the only big threat from the Maggia and outside of “turn to smoke” and caltrops The Hand aren’t too bad. I really hate the way symbiotes stack. That shit will get out of control fast, but they’ve given us some nice characters to deal with them. Now Sentries are some straight up bullshit. I still hate that they move tiles. You add in a free board shake (something demi values too high for our characters), easy crits, and healing? And then they put them in wave nodes so that they can gather up AP for the AI in the next round. Not to mention their scaling! Insanity I tell you. ---
**Author:** ![ClydeFrog76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/clydefrog76/32/3075_2.png) [@ClydeFrog76](https://forums.505go.com/u/ClydeFrog76)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:16pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/5 "2017-03-23T22:16:15Z")
Sentries are the cheapest, cheesiest, most OP enemies in the game. Terrible design. ---
**Author:** ![waywreth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/waywreth/32/1373_2.png) [@waywreth](https://forums.505go.com/u/waywreth)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/6 "2017-03-23T22:56:43Z")
Sentries and it’s not remotely close. I’m glad to see my fellow voters agree. ---
**Author:** ![MyNameIsRed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@MyNameIsRed](https://forums.505go.com/u/MyNameIsRed)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2017, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/7 "2017-03-23T23:26:48Z")
Sentries as in addition to the above, their powers are passive so not even Strange can Falty Flames them ---
**Author:** ![Anon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/anon/32/975_2.png) [@Anon](https://forums.505go.com/u/Anon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 1:05am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/8 "2017-03-24T01:05:45Z")
Unpopular opinion: Maggia. Muscles are the bane of my existence. _insert bodybuilding wisecrack here_ Sentries are definitely second though. ---
**Author:** ![TPF\_Alexis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/tpf_alexis/32/3803_2.png) [@TPF\_Alexis](https://forums.505go.com/u/TPF_Alexis)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 2:56am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/9 "2017-03-24T02:56:08Z")
I’m with you, Anon. Muscle goons single-handedly take the Maggia to the top spot for me. Ultron Sentries and Symbiotes have a broader spread of nasty goons, but there’s almost no one in the Game who gets prioritized over Maggia Muscle on my target list, including even most Characters. ---
**Author:** ![Coubii](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Coubii](https://forums.505go.com/u/Coubii)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/10 "2017-03-24T03:36:07Z")
Ultron sentries. Put 3 of them, and you wait 1 minutes between two of your tile match. The board was completely wiped by sentry feeding and cascading. Special tiles spawned everywhere. And you took already 2 or 3 times the damage of a standard 3match while they haven’t played yet. And the scaling of theses bots was awful. Thanks god, it was improved. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Satanno](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/el_satanno/32/9110_2.png) [@El\_Satanno](https://forums.505go.com/u/El_Satanno)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/11 "2017-03-24T04:47:49Z")
Maggia muscle, without question, and anyone who disagrees must be playing a different game entirely. No other goon can _single-handedly_ wreck your entire team with such efficiency. I’ll fight any combination of the others in endless waves sooner than deal with more of those 3-Muscle nodes. Ugh. ---
**Author:** ![Skrofa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/skrofa/32/7826_2.png) [@Skrofa](https://forums.505go.com/u/Skrofa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:01am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/12 "2017-03-24T05:01:24Z")
I also voted sentries. Reasoning? Everyone else is easily dealt with by Dr Strange. Either 3\* or 5\*. Buffed or unbuffed! Doesn’t matter. Drop a cd or a trap? Flame em! Cd about to go off? Stun em! Sentries? No such luck. Passive skills. Board shake. Special tiles. Heal. Crit tiles. Matching ability. Yeah… SENTRIES!!! ![icon_evil.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/8/88915eaf064987be68e8ea062849d19f49234711.gif) ![icon_evil.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/8/88915eaf064987be68e8ea062849d19f49234711.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Mechahamster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@Mechahamster](https://forums.505go.com/u/Mechahamster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:19am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/13 "2017-03-24T05:19:41Z")
I used to hate Muscles. Then I got Strange. I used to hate Kishus. Then I got Strange. I used to hate Sentries. Strange does nothing against Sentries. I still hate Sentries. ---
**Author:** ![Polares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Polares](https://forums.505go.com/u/Polares)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 5:54am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/14 "2017-03-24T05:54:32Z")
This is a trick question, it is very easy to see why if you look at your answers. Worst Goon Group: Ultron Sentries Worst Goon Enemy: Maggia Muscle Honorable mention as most annoying: Venom symbiotes Maggia muscle is without a doubt the worst goon enemy in the game BY A FAIR MARGIN, so much, he is obviously OP compared to other goons. AoE+crazy strong strike tiles can easily kill single handly your whole team. His yellow is totally underpriced, it is stupidly cheap for the strength the tiles have. And to make things worse, it is probably the goon that goes hand with hand with other regular chars the most, so if he manages to create some strikes, the other char basically kills you with just match damage. In 5 land this guys puts two 3k strike tiles, he was almost invincible before Strange, the king almighty of PvE, was released. Ultron sentries are the worst because they have three very annoying characteristics in a goon, big board shakes and the ability to match tiles and ‘inmunity’ to some very strong passive abilitties (it is not that they are inmune, is that their abilities are passives). Those three abilities make them the most dangerous group. Then obviously the ability that outputs two critical tiles, in 5 land with crazy match damage, is really deadly (these guys need to be killed first obviously). Oh yeah, and as someone said, they are almost inmune to Strange, Starlord, etc. Then Venom Symbiotes are just very annoying, after their nerf they are not as bas as they used to be, but it is still annoying to see them outputting tiles like crazy if you give them enough time. But seriously, Maggia muscle should be nerfed again ![icon_razz.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/7/7f80885b69adeb0a506d2d0c554fefaf9b3e0443.gif) ---
**Author:** ![JablesMc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c77e96/32.png) [@JablesMc](https://forums.505go.com/u/JablesMc)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 7:52am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/15 "2017-03-24T07:52:25Z")
Group? I voted symbiotes, if only due to the fact that they are who I’m currently dealing with. It’s really a toss up between them and sentries, depending on scaling. Sentry combos are a tinykitty no matter what, but with certain combos, symbiotes can be so annoying scaled up that it’s not even fair. Individual goon? Muscle, period. ---
**Author:** ![Felessa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/felessa/32/7397_2.png) [@Felessa](https://forums.505go.com/u/Felessa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:08am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/16 "2017-03-24T08:08:36Z")
> [@Puce Moose](#): > > SWARM! _waits five minutes for board to settle_ Definitely Sentries, specially the Fighter one… oh how I hate him! They should update his description power with “Sentry Fighters burst through walls and crush everything in their path. If at the start of the turn there are fewer than 5 friendly Attack, Strike or Protect tiles, the Sentry Fighter destroys the bottom 5 tiles of a column, **making multiples matches 3/4 and even 5s!** ” ![icon_cry.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/3/32f6ceaa7d5688cd07af33175e20b625b60d84be.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Nick441234](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Nick441234](https://forums.505go.com/u/Nick441234)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/17 "2017-03-24T08:30:23Z")
Ultron Sentries hands down. They just remove everything of any use to you! I’ve lost count the amount of times I’ve lost all of IM40’s countdown tiles before they’ve had a chance to go off. Strange can deal with everything else, theres nothing to deal with SWARM. ---
**Author:** ![DeNappa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/denappa/32/4657_2.png) [@DeNappa](https://forums.505go.com/u/DeNappa)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/18 "2017-03-24T08:36:46Z")
Sentries. Especially the ‘destroy bottom tiles in a column’ one; I keep being baffled by the sheer amount of cascades and AP generation this passive power creates. I used to go after the ‘core meltdown’ sentries first because they generate criticals that can hurt, but I’ve since learned to prioritize column destruction ones. At least the core meltdown sentries sometimes leave criticals in your favor. But the symbiotes are a very close second because of all the reasons other people already mentioned here. Anyone remember the pre-nerf symbiotes? They were even _worse_ back then… ![icon_e_confused.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/7/7ea51214a061662864c1741b8b0231a922406de8.gif) . And even with the current state of symbiotes they can _still_ get out of control if you can’t manage the tiles. ---
**Author:** ![tgibbs40](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d2c977/32.png) [@tgibbs40](https://forums.505go.com/u/tgibbs40)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 8:55am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/19 "2017-03-24T08:55:37Z")
I am waiting for the Goon team up of Kishu, Muscle, and either healing Ultron Sentry or the one that creates the 2 critical tiles. All properly scaled above me, of course! ![icon_lol.gif](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/uploads/x505go/original/2X/d/df075d9b4a1733c0e2bc1aadb0aa6d547e345497.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Ruinate](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex023/user_avatar/forums.505go.com/ruinate/32/7879_2.png) [@Ruinate](https://forums.505go.com/u/Ruinate)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2017, 9:07am UTC](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483/20 "2017-03-24T09:07:00Z")
Against goons I like to use Phoenix, Scarlet Witch, and a third. The board shake provided by Witch and Phoenix is enough to cruise through goon nodes and rarely get hit. The stupid dog symbiote however poops all over my Phoenix and Swarm poops all over my Scarlet Witch. I hate those two the most. [Next page](https://forums.505go.com/t/which-goons-are-worse/34483.md?page=2)