Sortta. We won’t have a heroic version of the upcoming boss battle so it will only be a regular version. Hoping to post the rewards later today.
@S0kun said:
@Sidlon said:
I assume one of the effects of that December release experiment is that we have no boss event this week?Sortta. We won’t have a heroic version of the upcoming boss battle so it will only be a regular version. Hoping to post the rewards later today.
Is that for this month alone, or are you doing away with the heroic version altogether?
@sokun, could you post the boss news on the monthly update please? It’s buried here and people may not check this post searching for boss information. Thanks!
Just wanna echo the positive vibes on the compromise regarding the season vault, I knew there was middle ground to be found.
And specifically what @Scofie said, the deatil in the write-up. Any question I had pop into my head while reading was addressed a couple sentences later.
Totally agree always important to get every single deatil correct
No Heroic boss means, most likely, no support tokens. Which is gonna be a bit rough.
At least I won’t have to change my favorited support for another 14-15 months or so. Silver lining, people.
@Borstock said:
@SAking said:
No Heroic boss means, most likely, no support tokens. Which is gonna be a bit rough.At least I won’t have to change my favorited support for another 14-15 months or so. Silver lining, people.
OR even moooore importantly, my alliance can’t get confused as there is only 1 option to choose from! So we might actually get the alliance progression reward!!
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .
They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of opening CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
Mostly all I’m asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of
How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cash
So people know the numbers before playing
Even if it’s 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item
In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing
I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
Mostly all I’m asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of
How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cashSo people know the numbers before playing
Even if it’s 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item
In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing
I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then
I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They’ll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won’t be published now or in advance. That’s basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you’ve got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.
I also don’t understand why you’d need to know that begin playing? Surely if you’re not bothered you’ll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there’s something in there you want, you’ll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don’t get it?
The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I’m fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I’ll buy vault tokens until I do. It’s not a case of all or nothing.
Just embrace RNG. Almost everything you get in this game is random. It’s a lot more fun if you sit back and enjoy the ride.
Spoken like a 4000 day vet!!! hehehe
Definitely embracing that perspective with respect to the game.
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
Mostly all I’m asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of
How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cashSo people know the numbers before playing
Even if it’s 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item
In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing
I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then
I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They’ll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won’t be published now or in advance. That’s basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you’ve got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.
I also don’t understand why you’d need to know that begin playing? Surely if you’re not bothered you’ll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there’s something in there you want, you’ll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don’t get it?
The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I’m fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I’ll buy vault tokens until I do. It’s not a case of all or nothing.
simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want
will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
Mostly all I’m asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of
How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cashSo people know the numbers before playing
Even if it’s 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item
In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing
I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then
I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They’ll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won’t be published now or in advance. That’s basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you’ve got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.
I also don’t understand why you’d need to know that begin playing? Surely if you’re not bothered you’ll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there’s something in there you want, you’ll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don’t get it?
The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I’m fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I’ll buy vault tokens until I do. It’s not a case of all or nothing.
simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want
will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days
This makes no sense whatsoever.
@DAZ0273 said:
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
@Scofie said:
@slidecage said:
60 item vault says a third though missions so that is only 20. Say 15 with over level if lucky. That is only 35 so your still only going to have a 50 chance at getting the ascended .They need more info like
If you complete all 50 levels you will earn 20 tokens
Compelet all rewards will earn you say 15 more
There will be a chance to buy hp packages that will earn you up to 15 more
The final 10 tokens you must buy with cash
Though I’m guessing that be higher then 10
Face it it’s never coming back to the way it was and really not even worth the hassle anymore they just screwed this up too badly
Anyone notice this last 2 star did not have the ascended vault
I think it’s fine to speculate about how many tokens are available to buy versus how many are free. It’s already been said that there will be more tokens available than rewards, so it could be 70 “free” v 20 “bought” or 30 “free” and 60 “bought” or 80 “free” and 80 “bought”.
What I don’t quite understand is being annoyed about the guess you’ve just made in advance of it being proved right or wrong. You’re right that it won’t go back to the way it was and I think the reasons for that are pretty clear. There were many people on this forum that said “this won’t last because it’s too generous”. And it hasn’t.
And it depends on your definition of “screwed up”, I suppose. They did something overly generous, spotted it and reversed it too far, listened to that criticism and found a good halfway measure. The alternatives are to start with the bad version always and increase it slowly to avoid complaints. Personally, I’d rather they make generous mistakes, bank the extra stuff and not worry about what comes next.
However many there are, the tokens are still “free”. Even if only one token is free, you can still get the ascended character. By reducing the vault size, the chances of getting one item is increased so there’s that (though reducing the number of ascended characters diminishes the chance of getting any ascended character). What you’re talking about is guaranteeing getting it with free tokens to avoid RNG which is a mechanism that the game lives on. It’s why a 5☆ only token would never work well for the game. It’s great for players but you need to experience the lows of a long run of owning CT/LTs without a 5☆ to fully enjoy the highs of 4 in a row.
Mostly all I’m asking is it will be nice if they will put out the numbers of
How many you get by clearing 50 stages
How many you get if all missions
How many will be by hp
How many hy cashSo people know the numbers before playing
Even if it’s 5 tokens by cash that means still a chance you could do everything and still miss out on the best item
In the past I wanted all the ascended and make sure I did all the daily but then figure out it be years before I ever make them higher so mostly stop chasing
I think the first one only got less then 20 covers added so it will be many many years before I can ascended then
I think writing that now is a hostage to fortune. They’ll want to iterate it and balance rewards across events and all sorts of things. So it won’t be published now or in advance. That’s basic sales - you will not sell a bundle of tokens on day 3 if you know you’ve got a 75% chance of getting the rewards for free. Keeping that hidden is a way to capitalise on FOMO.
I also don’t understand why you’d need to know that begin playing? Surely if you’re not bothered you’ll just get as many as you get without trying and open them? If there’s something in there you want, you’ll try to get a many as possible and buy if you don’t get it?
The ascended character is by far the most objectively valuable thing in the vault but I like the 5☆s and costumes as much. I’m fine with getting or not getting things for free. If I desperately want something and I dint get it through free tokens, I’ll buy vault tokens until I do. It’s not a case of all or nothing.
simple cause if i know if i can earn say 50 out of 60 for free then i will have a reason to make sure i get all missions done.. now if its 30 or 40 out of 60 then i really wouldnt care as much as i know there is still a 50% chance i will not get what i want
will the X sesonal vault end or will it still go on for 33 days
This makes no sense whatsoever.
My only interpretation is that time spent on earning a reward should be proportional to the reward. So Quests that requires a load more effort aren’t worth trying for if you have a minimal chance of getting the thing you want anyway. Which I sort of understand: an additional 3 hours playing the game is 3 less hours spent on other things, and you want it to be worth something. Quite where the cut off is between effort and probability, I’m not sure, but I’m very much in the camp of try and see what happens - most quests can be completed with very minor tweaks to gameplay.
It sounds like rocking up to a casino and thinking they’ll be posting the house odds at the door so you can decide whether to go in or not…
I have to agree, I find the quests are easily completed well in advance of the end of the season with no actual extra play time. It is just a matter of seeing that I need to switch back to Gorr in my PVE team for repeaters, or toss in Spider-Man: India for webs or check which colour is actually the strongest in the team I am running if I need to match strongest. I’m not expecting a T10 finish so if I have to run some nodes with someone who normally sits on the bench, it adds a little variety rather than pain to the day’s play.
Get rid of the 3/5 and 2/4 simultaneous releases permanently. Don’t need a weaker version of a character. Much rather there be completely new 2 and 3 stars released occasionally.
There hasn’t been a single 2/4 release yet.
You could argue that 2Nightcrawler is just a variant of the 4, but they were years apart. Every 2 since has been completely different from other versions of the same character.
The 2* releases have been alone as far as the only character released that week.
I basically agree it’s fine if they do more 5s without 3s.