@Brakkis - so would it be wrong in some way to change the wording to “summon X tokens”?
Currently I can’t see a scenario where create is necessary. Maybe I am overlooking something?
@Brakkis - so would it be wrong in some way to change the wording to “summon X tokens”?
Currently I can’t see a scenario where create is necessary. Maybe I am overlooking something?
It’s how paper Magic does tokens.
Tokens are created (and put onto the battlefield).
Currently, if I steal a stack of Vampire tokens from my opponent on this level, it counts as ‘creating’ one token.
I agree that the term ‘create’ is unnecessary.
I think the term “Enter the battlefield” should be discussed here too.
Is it necessary? Does “When this creature enters the battlefield” just mean “When you summon this creature”?
It’s a term taken directly from paper MTG, but should it be culled to make MTGPQ simpler to understand?
On a related note, I have just stolen a Silvergill Adept with a Connive, and I did not draw 2 cards. I can’t remember if this is the correct behaviour, I’m getting confused with all these terms. But I thought I’d post it anyway in case it is a bug or inconsistency ![]()
It would be unnecessary. If the objective calls for tokens, you know you need to make tokens. Doesn’t matter what the wording for making them is in that case. Just get to creating, spawning, or crapping them out.
This was working fine after it was FIXED during SOI.
Why change it back…??
Emrakuls Corruption, left node, objectives:
Only creature in my deck is Ulrich. I play one via Vivians Invocation and one hardcasted from my hand. It counts both as summoned (2nd objective 2/2 and correct) but for some glorious reason it counts only one as a werewolf.
I would like to add that this objective should possibly be changed. The intent at the time was that green should be able to use all the eldrazi tokens and things for the rest of the deck. Mono-green has no other damage options and the basic 5 walkers need to have a chance (not a guarantee) of fulfilling all requirements.
In this case the easiest solution is change both requirements to “cast” instead of “summon” which would return the expected behaviour.
There are possibly a few other old events that need slight tweaks now the rules are fixed in stone. (Which is good!)
It has never been consistent, since the game was first created.
Even as recently as Rising Tensions, from the very latest set, Thopter tokens counted as creatures with toughness 3 or less in the UG node, but did not count as creatures with power 3 or less in the WR node.
I wrote more on the subject here:
https://forums.505go.com/discussion/comment/864390/#Comment_864390
The Vampire node of Emrakul’s Corruption reads “Summon” but does not count cards returned from the graveyard to the battlefield by any effect (I tried Concoct, Dark Petition, and OG Lil’s Ultimate)
In rising tensions, green/black node, the third objective is cast 4 or more creatures with 3 or less toughness. Tokens created with Bolas second ability do not count, as expected with the new definition, but using his third ability to bring a creature from the graveyards counts.
In the green/white mode stealing a creature from the opponent also counts to fulfill the cast creatures second objetive
Stealing a creature is the one method of getting a creature on your side of the field that shouldn’t count towards either objective type.
A lot of people don’t know the difference between summon and cast. It needs to be explained in-game, ASAP.
I’ve even been surprised to find out that some of my own teammates, who I talk to regularly, and who use this forum, don’t know the difference between summon and cast.
It seems like the only players who do know are the tiny subset who are extremely active on these forums.
The “Training” missions need one for events that talks about objectives and includes information like this and new players (and old!) need to be better pushed towards training until they have completed it…
Stealing creatures work for objectives in the white node of terrors in the shadows. I suppose in the other nodes too
Anointed Procession (which ‘reinforces’ tokens) does not count as towards the Call To Arms objective on RotGP 2.3 (‘Create’ 6 or more Creature Tokens during a single fight).
That’s not an inconsistency. Reinforcing isn’t creating.
Fair enough. I thought it was worth mentioning.
Vivien’s Invocation counted as casting creatures for objectives during RotGP, even though the text says that they are moved to the battlefield rather than being placed in hand first. I do not know if this was due to an error with Vivien’s specifically or in the objective more generally (ie, if the “cast” was really counting like a “summon”).
Black node is equally borked.
NB1’s 2nd and 3rd abilities counted for zilch on the summon objective for that node.