What is the true value of vaulted characters?

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@Beer40

@n25philly

@n25philly

@n25philly

@n25philly

@Spudgutter

@n25philly

It annoys me too! I have had to stop drawing LTs because I pretty much have all the latest 12 fully covered now. I’m going to have to hoard now for a few months so a few of them can drop out of packs. I never had this problem prior to vaulting, I could draw when I wanted and would only occasionally get dupes. Opening tokens was a big part of the enjoyment of this game, and thats now been taken away for at least a few months.

Haven’t been able to open an elite, heroic or legendary since vaulting was implemented. I guess we are supposed to see the number of unusable tokens piling up as fun? It’s beyond annoying but my words would probably just get me banned.

Seeing as how you haven’t opened anything since vaulting was implemented, i always question your opinion on it. Obviously, you have a preconceived notion against it.

You have hundreds of elites and a bunch of heroics that you have not opened, yet claim are “unusable.” Why? If you need hp to for roster slots, champ rewards from all those 2* will give you that.

You know what else will get you hp? Playing the game. You also said you barely play anymore. How do you expect to get better rewards and better characters if you refuse to play the game and refuse to open the rewards?

I am all for discussing the pros and cons of vaulting, but it’s hard to take your negative opinion seriously.

lol, I love though unless I open everything and throw away a lot of stuff that I can’t afford to throw away my opinion is useless? That seems sillier. I am a casual player. Vaulting is bad for casual players. I don’t want to have to throw away resources. I also don’t want to be stuck only playing as a small handful of characters. Even if I did open everything up, then what? I maybe get to champ 1-3 characters? Great, now I get to go back to hording yet I’m stuck playing those 2-3 characters for everything. Probably the only thing worse than the current hording hell.

It’s a horrible system all around. Why does how much I play matter to you? The new system will suck no matter what, so it doesn’t matter. If things don’t change it will likely be years before I would be in good shape to open anything and even then since it’s just the last 12 getting shoved down our throats I still get stuck with a limited usable roster and a good number of characters I really want likely to for forever unusable. So much fun! So I wait and wait for the fix they have promised over and over again…

As that person said, you’ve obviously made your mind up. Honestly, given that you’ve literally used over a hundred posts complaining about it since the system went into place, and it isn’t going anywhere, I’m startled that you play at all.

(And if you think 12 characters makes it impossible to keep up on roster slots, now imagine there’s 50 characters to roster and try to cover all at the same time. The horror!)

Uh, in the old system you didn’t have a limited time to cover/level them so your point on the end is pure tinykitty. With the old system of if they would give us a way to pull the old stuff it would be an issue because people could play the game the way they want, and actually enjoy it again. THE HORROR!

And yet you’d still not have enough HP to slot a single character right now, and have 30+ more of them to have to pay HP to roster…

Talk about not getting it. In the old system I let the legenday tokens/CP sit. When I get to 1000 hp, if I don’t have any covers sitting waiting to be rostered, I would pull until I got someone to take that new roster spot and stop. It’s slow but it worked. No pressure to rush anything because you can always get more covers. New system if you can’t cover/level the latest 12 there is no point in pulling anything.

So… this is the exact same thing you can do now, except for a pool of 12 instead of 50?

And when they rotate out and I can’t get covers for them anymore?

Interesting take. I never thought about Vaulting and the casual player before. They’ll never cover anyone now. But the makers of the game had to know that so I guess they decided it was acceptable.

IT’s one of the reasons I’ve been so vocal against it. I don’t like it for me, but I got off pretty easy comared to someone casual or who started after vaulting.

[Straycat]

@n25philly

This was a casual game, until vaulting came in, though. You could play as casually as you liked and still earn all the characters. Now we have vaulting, you only have the time until the leave packs, and then they are gone forever. Its an utterly ridiculous system.

Other than the hardcore players, everyone else will just end up with a whole load of under covered characters and no way to realistically finish them.

They aren’t “gone forever” they just become more scarce. And if you BH one of them, the 1/20 rate of acquisition is still way better than 1/50+. (Recall that BH was part of the vaulting system. You don’t want vaulting, then assume BH didn’t happen either.)

And “a whole load of uncercovered characters” describes many, many rosters pre-vaulting. I had a Carol at 7 covers when vaulting hit, and IMHB as my highest 4* at 282 or 283. My Carol just hit 300, and IMHB is at 284. 5 other 4*s have already passed IMHB. Old way, if I had typical luck and cover distribution, my IMHB maybe is at 290, and most of those characters aren’t even champed yet. And now, I can focus fire my BH pulls to finish some of the old 4s, and eventually I can try and catch them up. The old way, it was a constant game of catch-up with no end in sight.

So, in other words, nothing has changed then. Theres still people with a whole load of characters who are under covered. Which obviously means vaulting needs scrapping as it hasn’t fixed any of the problems that were occurring previously. Bonus Heroes, also, will never fix the problem because the list of under covered characters will keep growing and growing and BHs aren’t earned quickly enough to keep up.

No, plenty has changed. You can still “earn all the characters” using BH, if that’s all you’re interested in. Grab one cover, roster them, and move on to the next one. It’ll be just like the old system, in that you’ll have a whole bunch of unusable 4* characters, some of which wouldn’t be all that great even with 13 covers!

Meanwhile, those who are pulling their tokens can get current characters covered, tack a few covers/levels on whoever we’d like with BH, and run the current gang of 12 up at a decent clip, rather than a snail’s pace.

Do you even read anyone of these posts before posting this garbage. I I’ve said about a billion times I don’t want to take everything back to the way it was. I just want options. Make the vintage heroics available all of the time and pullable with heroic tokens earned. Have a vintage legendary that pulls either from the entire pool or just the vaulted stuff. You can build fast, I can build slow. Why do you have such an issue with that? Hard to believe that not everyone wants to be stuck with the same small handful of characters? That we might want to play as they character we like, not just what is forced on us?

Ok, but you claim the system forces you to hoard when it doesn’t. If you are hoarding just to protest the devs, then say that. If you’re hoarding in hopes that the system changes, then say that. But you can’t say vaulting has ruined the game when most of your problems are inherit to the overall resource structure and not vaulting itself.

I think we can all agree that we would like access to vaulted characters. But this is not a vaulting vs pre vaulting system argument. I think most would agree that your strategy is not helping you out.

Flushed with iso, I would be looking for ways to spend it. I would cash in the elites and heroics, cash in any 144 2* champs and use the hp to open a roster spot. Then I would do the same old strategy of opening legendaries until that roster is filled, wait to open another, then repeat.

That versus doing nothing? Sort of to the original topic, whats the value of a nonvaulted character if you won’t even try to get them before they become a vaulted character? I think a vaulted character is as valuable as they are usable, which for a casual 4* transitioner could be very valuable. Get 4-5 covers in any power and that character can be helpful. My TAHulk will likely never get champed, but with 5 green he was useful in the last boss event. If you end up with a 5/1/2 character when they leave would suck, but isnt it better than a 0/0/0? Depending on what that 5 cover ability is, you might still have a solid character.

[n25philly]

@Straycat

@n25philly

This was a casual game, until vaulting came in, though. You could play as casually as you liked and still earn all the characters. Now we have vaulting, you only have the time until the leave packs, and then they are gone forever. Its an utterly ridiculous system.

Other than the hardcore players, everyone else will just end up with a whole load of under covered characters and no way to realistically finish them.

They aren’t “gone forever” they just become more scarce. And if you BH one of them, the 1/20 rate of acquisition is still way better than 1/50+. (Recall that BH was part of the vaulting system. You don’t want vaulting, then assume BH didn’t happen either.)

And “a whole load of uncercovered characters” describes many, many rosters pre-vaulting. I had a Carol at 7 covers when vaulting hit, and IMHB as my highest 4* at 282 or 283. My Carol just hit 300, and IMHB is at 284. 5 other 4*s have already passed IMHB. Old way, if I had typical luck and cover distribution, my IMHB maybe is at 290, and most of those characters aren’t even champed yet. And now, I can focus fire my BH pulls to finish some of the old 4s, and eventually I can try and catch them up. The old way, it was a constant game of catch-up with no end in sight.

So, in other words, nothing has changed then. Theres still people with a whole load of characters who are under covered. Which obviously means vaulting needs scrapping as it hasn’t fixed any of the problems that were occurring previously. Bonus Heroes, also, will never fix the problem because the list of under covered characters will keep growing and growing and BHs aren’t earned quickly enough to keep up.

No, plenty has changed. You can still “earn all the characters” using BH, if that’s all you’re interested in. Grab one cover, roster them, and move on to the next one. It’ll be just like the old system, in that you’ll have a whole bunch of unusable 4* characters, some of which wouldn’t be all that great even with 13 covers!

Meanwhile, those who are pulling their tokens can get current characters covered, tack a few covers/levels on whoever we’d like with BH, and run the current gang of 12 up at a decent clip, rather than a snail’s pace.

Do you even read anyone of these posts before posting this garbage. I I’ve said about a billion times I don’t want to take everything back to the way it was. I just want options. Make the vintage heroics available all of the time and pullable with heroic tokens earned. Have a vintage legendary that pulls either from the entire pool or just the vaulted stuff. You can build fast, I can build slow. Why do you have such an issue with that? Hard to believe that not everyone wants to be stuck with the same small handful of characters? That we might want to play as they character we like, not just what is forced on us?

Ok, but you claim the system forces you to hoard when it doesn’t. If you are hoarding just to protest the devs, then say that. If you’re hoarding in hopes that the system changes, then say that. But you can’t say vaulting has ruined the game when most of your problems are inherit to the overall resource structure and not vaulting itself.

I think we can all agree that we would like access to vaulted characters. But this is not a vaulting vs pre vaulting system argument. I think most would agree that your strategy is not helping you out.

Flushed with iso, I would be looking for ways to spend it. I would cash in the elites and heroics, cash in any 144 2* champs and use the hp to open a roster spot. Then I would do the same old strategy of opening legendaries until that roster is filled, wait to open another, then repeat.

That versus doing nothing? Sort of to the original topic, whats the value of a nonvaulted character if you won’t even try to get them before they become a vaulted character? I think a vaulted character is as valuable as they are usable, which for a casual 4* transitioner could be very valuable. Get 4-5 covers in any power and that character can be helpful. My TAHulk will likely never get champed, but with 5 green he was useful in the last boss event. If you end up with a 5/1/2 character when they leave would suck, but isnt it better than a 0/0/0? Depending on what that 5 cover ability is, you might still have a solid character.

I am hoarding until I have the resources where it makes sense to pull. 70% chance of pulling an usable characters makes pulling a bad idea. Pretty much only being able to get the latest 12 means that not being close to being able to cover/level all 12 makes pulling a bad idea. The hording is not fun which is why I play so much less.

I’m not big on cashing in the elites and heroics either since it will just throw off the balance of my roster. (I’ve farmed 2* since champing started) Most of the 3*'s I regularly use are vaulted. Last thing I need is for the usefulness to go away because the chosen ones killed the scaling for them. Just like how I don’t particularly want to level just 12 characters so I am stuck using just them. When the right opportunity comes up I’ll play along though, but I am not going to just throw resources away. Even at the best of times I don’t earn enough to do that.

I am not against vaulting is concept, I am against the horrible implementation. I’ve seen so many other games that basically have the same concept without making the majority of character dissapear and forcing a small subset on you, and I just don’t get why we can’t have a competently designed system instead of what we currently have.

[Straycat]

@n25philly

I am hoarding until I have the resources where it makes sense to pull. 70% chance of pulling an usable characters makes pulling a bad idea. Pretty much only being able to get the latest 12 means that not being close to being able to cover/level all 12 makes pulling a bad idea. The hording is not fun which is why I play so much less.

I’m not big on cashing in the elites and heroics either since it will just throw off the balance of my roster. (I’ve farmed 2* since champing started) Most of the 3*'s I regularly use are vaulted. Last thing I need is for the usefulness to go away because the chosen ones killed the scaling for them. Just like how I don’t particularly want to level just 12 characters so I am stuck using just them. When the right opportunity comes up I’ll play along though, but I am not going to just throw resources away. Even at the best of times I don’t earn enough to do that.

I am not against vaulting is concept, I am against the horrible implementation. I’ve seen so many other games that basically have the same concept without making the majority of character dissapear and forcing a small subset on you, and I just don’t get why we can’t have a competently designed system instead of what we currently have.

Well you are hurting yourself for no reason. I’m not talking about hoarding cp, that makes sense. But hoarding elites and heroics does not.
I don’t see your argument for hoarding elites. Generally people say one 4* champ won’t mess up scaling that much, so half of your 3s bumping up a few levels should be fine. And I don’t know what teams your using, but most of the available 3s are the better characters. Opening those elites and heroics will give you resources you need so you aren’t 70% likely to waste. Not to mention that 70% will just grow every release.

[n25philly]

Ok, ok, I gave in. Still don’t get it.

I had one 5* rostered, so I sold it and decided to pull heroics until I got a replacement. Pulled all 50+ (I left a 10 pack from a bunch of seasons past still there) without pulling a single 4*. That’s fine. Pulled legendaries then until I got someone new and got Iron fist almost immediately. Ended up with enough HP for another roster spot, pulled 3 agent venoms, 3 blades, and 1 carol before getting a Mordo to fill the spot. Of course no Bonus Heroes.

I then pulled elites until I could finish off a 2* hawkeye that was 1/1/5 with two expiring covers. By the time I leveled/rechamped 2*'s and leveled up the 3* hawkeye I got a couple of new covers for I was down nearly 250,000 iso from where I started despite gaining a shield level.

ugh…

[NewMcG]

@n25philly

Ok, ok, I gave in. Still don’t get it.

I had one 5* rostered, so I sold it and decided to pull heroics until I got a replacement. Pulled all 50+ (I left a 10 pack from a bunch of seasons past still there) without pulling a single 4*. That’s fine. Pulled legendaries then until I got someone new and got Iron fist almost immediately. Ended up with enough HP for another roster spot, pulled 3 agent venoms, 3 blades, and 1 carol before getting a Mordo to fill the spot. Of course no Bonus Heroes.

I then pulled elites until I could finish off a 2* hawkeye that was 1/1/5 with two expiring covers. By the time I leveled/rechamped 2*'s and leveled up the 3* hawkeye I got a couple of new covers for I was down nearly 250,000 iso from where I started despite gaining a shield level.

ugh…

Yes, when you actually want to get something in return, like a stronger roster, it costs something. It’s pretty much how everything works anywhere.

[Wumpushunter]

it is not accurate, Thoress is vaulted and required. I spent 200 CP to get 1 cover BH for her so I could compete in the current pve and a chance to get vulture covers. The last 3 or 4 big burritos have been vaulted characters. If they removed the vaulted from required I would not say a word about vaulting ever again.

[Straycat]

@n25philly

Ok, ok, I gave in. Still don’t get it.

I had one 5* rostered, so I sold it and decided to pull heroics until I got a replacement. Pulled all 50+ (I left a 10 pack from a bunch of seasons past still there) without pulling a single 4*. That’s fine. Pulled legendaries then until I got someone new and got Iron fist almost immediately. Ended up with enough HP for another roster spot, pulled 3 agent venoms, 3 blades, and 1 carol before getting a Mordo to fill the spot. Of course no Bonus Heroes.

I then pulled elites until I could finish off a 2* hawkeye that was 1/1/5 with two expiring covers. By the time I leveled/rechamped 2*'s and leveled up the 3* hawkeye I got a couple of new covers for I was down nearly 250,000 iso from where I started despite gaining a shield level.

ugh…

The point is that those tokens helped you open spots so you can pull legendaries. Now you’re at 50% chance of an unusable cover? Goal is to get that to 0%, and you made progress. I think that was a successful experiment