After the LPS system was introduced into the game (for better or worse), and older rules fudge was changed back to it’s original form, so copy cards can once again be cast on the turn they are created.
I wondered what people thought about this change?
On the one hand, it does seem like the change back is an obvious one; the copy card delay was originally created to solve a problem created by loops, and that problem has now been solved by alternative means.
On the other hand, we now once again have some very degenerate Standard decks, with abilities that Legacy decks would be jealous of; casting a Single Naru Meha can give you a 300/300 stack of them within the first couple of turns of the game, Expansion copying BSZ can give you some very, very big turns, and while I’ve not been able to test this one personally, presumably Thousand Year Storm is uber-powerful again? Was the copy card delay a rule created just to fix infinite loops, or was it also to curb broken cards, which can now once again run rampant?
Copy card rule change
It’s OK to be able to cast copy cards on the same turn as you create them.
It’s not OK to be able to cast copy cards on the same turn as you create them.
As far as I can tell the copy rule was put into place to stop loop decks. Since the loops are gone, why not let the copies be cast as they were originally designed?
Besides, the combos enabled now involve Mythic or Masterpiece cards and some very specific deck setups. I say let them be.
LOL. That rule change never stopped broken cards from running rampant - BSZ/Sunbird worked just fine, for instance - it just stopped a handful of specific degenerate combos from working. There’s no logic behind BSZ/Expansion being nerfed while BSZ/Sunbird gets to be fine. If the devs want to nerf BSZ or Naru Meha combos, they should stop beating around the bush with all these hamfisted global rules changes and just nerf BSZ and/or Naru Meha.
Well, they did nerf Naru by making her ETB effect a Cast effect (so stuff like Siren’s Ruse doesn’t work anymore).
BSZ is an entirely different problem, since a card like that never should have been designed in the first place. The only way to “fix” it now would be to either drop the mana gained to like 2 (since even halving it to 6 would enable some nasty non-BSZ combos) or to just redesign the card entirely, and neither of those are exactly good options.
Personally, I don’t like the original copy card nerf, in a conceptual sense, but, I also don’t think Standard is the place for turn 2 300/300 creatures. In fact, some might say that Legacy isn’t the place for them either.
I suppose the designer thought that upping the price by 1 would be sufficient compensation for doubling the amount of mana. #sarcasm.
I believe it was a couple of years ago, that the top players (then) debated the mechanic of making cards free. If I remember correctly, they ended up agreeing that it was a fundamental problem for the game that the developers had introduced this.
Perhaps dialing BSZ back by temporarily boosting mana bonuses would be a way to go?
BSZ is only supposed to be a draw card that goes back in your library to draw more. Not the over powered mana engine they made it here in PQ.
Blue ate the whole damn color pie in PQ. I believe we somewhat concluded the only thing it doesn’t reign supreme at currently is permanent disabled. So white still has something.
Next time anyone/everyone faces Azor’s Gateway, I’d be interested to hear what they have to say.
I’m just tired of the dev teams constantly finding ways to alter rules of Magic to destroy players’ abilities to run loops. It’s quite sad. Like they’ve lost sight of the game in the first place (finding great synergy and combos to win games and overpower your opponents). This card copy feature is just another sad story. Find one bugged combo - punish the whole game and all players in it.
