Demiurge, BUFF these characters pls

Marvel Puzzle Quest MPQ General Discussion
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In no particular order:

Bagman
Wolverine X-Force
Iron Man Model 40: For fuck’s sake, reduce his ability costs.
Moonstone: Make her black ability cost 12.
Captain America 2*: Buff his red damage (2000 damage at level 94 and 5 red covers). Make it comparable to Steve Rogers’ and reduce his yellow ability cost to 15.
Bullseye: 16 blacktile.png
AP for Murderous Aim which prompts you to place 2 crits. 16 is too much. 12 would be ok.

I left some characters out of the list simply because I either think they are ok or don’t have enough info on them through my experiences.

edit: Wolverine X-Force buff happened so far.

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Buffing Bagman would be beside the point. He’s the Dan Hibiki of MPQ.

Hard to argue with the rest, although I think Daredevil, Loki and possibly MHawkeye would need to take priority over 2* Cap, whose stun still makes him somewhat useful.

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I want Moonstone’s Purple to work similar to OBW’s Blue, where it still deals half the damage if you end up swapping a tile.

It’s so situational as it is now. Sometimes it does completely nothing.

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I dunno. I think every weak 2* and rarer char should be buffed regardless of their mascot-like existence. There are very weak 1* chars but 1* lasts a short time once a player starts playing the game. 2*s last much longer.

I’ve used DD lately. Although his powers are not immediate his purple skill is probably the best AP steal in the game and it is somewhat reliable as AI likes to match e. tiles. His red does extra damage when you match your traps similar to OBW’s black. His blue with his other traps are not reliable against any board/tile smasher of course. You just need to pick yopur fights with him. His red does massive damage. His blue stuns for the longest time in the game. Also, you can force AI to match traps by setting up 4-of-a-kind matches for them. He is still not better than a support char though even though he can down targets in one shot.

I think Loki is not that bad. His purple is annoying. His black is useful. He will keep getting more useful as more tile specialists are released. He can appear to be of niche use for now. If I were to buff him, I’d reduce his black skill’s cost since in most matches I’ve used him I was too late to charge 14 black. He still won me games though. He also pairs nicely with Patch, one of the strongest chars in the game.

It sucks when Mawkeye’s cd tiles get destroyed. He is similar to DD in that respect. He can still deal massive damage while hiding, however. I’ve been using him with 2* Thor and 2* Daken lately. He is useful. He can also be paired with Hood for quicker cd tiles but I don’t find that team particularly good. Sure he is not a top char in his rarity but he is ok imo.

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It’s a good idea.

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That’s why I keep my Moonstone at 355. Makes it much easier to control and more likely to get off damage.

But +1 to your idea since it hurts my soul to have to keep her at 5 in black.

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A little support please. I know you’re all tired of suggestions cos they never get realized but still it doesn’t hurt to try. Why don’t people who get annoyed by nerfs support this?

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Because your like the 800th person to try this. I’ve tried rallying people for charactee buffs at least like a million times myself.

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Sorry, but as Pysko said, its been done over and over and over again. A new thread won’t make the slightest difference.

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Lol. Even if Bagman is a waste of time…Dan is not so bad when you know how to use him.

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Moreover it’s been done recently and done better. Nonce’s poll on overpriced powers, for example, brought a lot of good commentary on characters who desperately need addressing. Also your list is woefully incomplete, and you immediately follow your suggestions with a statement about your lack of experience. Not the most persuasive argument I’ve ever seen. Points for enthusiasm, none for execution.

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It was on “overpriced powers” though. This is a direct “these chars need buffing” thread. Not every post needs to be hundreds of words to be effective. My list is good enough for people who are in 2 to 3 star transition. If you think my list is incomplete just ask like others did. I answered them i.e. why I didn’t include Mawkeye and others that were asked in my list. I don’t lack experience in what I suggested above. If you mean points by upvotes, I don’t care about them. What I meant by support is activity in this thread. A day later this thread went on to the second page of general discussion which is filled with discussing nerfs and negativity before I asked for support.

Among all these nerfs, people come to this thread and say things like you’re wrong, your list is incomplete “ha ha”, you are inexperienced (I’m on day 190 btw) instead of “I agree”, “I disagree because…”, “hey, I have a better idea”. That’s the nature of internet I suppose.

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When making claims that you know what is better for the state of the game you are portraying a position that you know what you’re talking about. When you then immediately admit that you don’t have experience in certain aspects of the game you are making your own opinions less valid and greatly weakening your own position. Even if it’s true, there’s no need to volunteer that information up front. That’s all I was getting at. This was me trying to help you. icon_e_smile.gif

There is plenty of constructive commentary scattered about. Naturally there’s a lot of rampant negativity too, this is the internet as you say. The issue people are taking with your post is it doesn’t do anything to spark conversation. It’s just a partial list of some characters that are bad and should feel bad. If you think the developers don’t know which characters are underpowered and underused you’re kidding yourself. They just haven’t cared to do anything about it. Mostly because money. But If you’re going to shamelessly bump your own thread and there’s nothing here to see people are going to get a little salty about it. Again, I applaud your enthusiasm, but your post is just kinda meh. Sorry.

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Shamelessly bumping would be like typing “bump” and leave it there. I didn’t do that. I guess I’ll put my ideas in my signature. As long as I keep posting devs will see it.

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There isn’t much difference between just typing “bump” and saying “hey come look at this thread that nobody is paying attention to because it’s awesome” which is basically what you did. Either way you’re dredging up an old thread that’s fallen off the first page and out of circulation without adding anything to the conversation. This thread died the first time for a reason, there was nothing here.

If you do want to revive an old thread a better strategy is to think of something new to say on your original topic and post that. Or respond to someone else’s post with a fresh comment and try to breath some life into a thread you think has merit that’s gone stale. I think you’ll find you have a much better response if you do that then just by waving your arms around and yelling for people to come look when there’s nothing there. icon_e_smile.gif

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Whatever man. You’re right. I am wrong. I hope you’re happy. You write paragraphs to prove me wrong in response to a sentence. You win.

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Okay. (Better? icon_razz.gif
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Okay, let’s try this. Since I do admire your enthusiasm, as I said, twice, let’s see if we can kick this party up a notch. There are plenty of characters that need help. As I spin the Wheel of Tinykitty Characters I find it lands on…Loki. So fine, Loki. He’s not so terrible, but he does need some help. He only has two powers, one is a crap shoot and the other is very situational, and his hit points suck.

Let’s tackle the powers he does have. Illusions is a pretty good board scrambler, can get you some nice cascades, but as I recall someone crunched the numbers and found out it’s actually statistically worse at 5 covers than it is at 3 or 4. That’s not good design. Either tweak it so it’s actually better at doing what it does at full covers or give it another little buff. One of his problems is he had no damage potential at all. What if at 5 covers Illusions also pooped out an attack tile? That might be something.

How about Trickery? Well first of all, let’s fix the bug where it doesn’t change all of Falcon’s protect tiles. It doesn’t say anything in the description about it having a limit on how many it will change and it’s a really situational power to start with. Until the enemy has strike or protect tiles out, it does exactly nothing. About the only use it gets from most people is the Patch gimmick team, and even that is more effort than it’s really worth. For starters it could be a little cheaper. If for 12 black BP can do close to 12k team damage, Trickery better damn well pull it’s weight. Maybe take the cost down to 9 at full covers? Does it need more? Maybe, but nothing comes to mind at the moment. Moving on…

Obviously he also needs a third power, and he needs to be some kind of a threat without enemy special tiles to give him a little more versatility. Well what a coincidence, his third color is green, the universal color of fuck you in MPQ. But this is still Loki. A big damage nuke doesn’t seem right for him. He’s not Thor after all. He needs something sneaky, but still good enough that it isn’t lost in the sea of better green powers. What if Punisher’s green and black had a baby and we gave it to Loki? Instead of one block of board smash, how about a few little ones, and instead of strong strike tiles it dropped some random special tiles. What are you going to get? Who knows, it’s Loki! Throw in some molotov level team damage for a reasonable cost, say 9, and there you go.

Is any of that going to make Loki a top tier character? Probably not, but it would make him infinitely more interesting and more usable in more teams. So there. I did Loki. Your turn. You mentioned some characters that have high cost powers, that’s an easy fix to suggest. But what about Bagman? What about X-Force? You didn’t specify what’s wrong with them. How would you fix them?

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Those two chars don’t need a genius to figure out that they are UP. As for fixing them, I don’t have any ideas simply because I haven’t used much or thought about them. I like your ideas about Loki but I still think he is ok when his buggy black is fixed. I wrote some about him above. I assume you have Loki maxed?

Btw, Ragnarok. He generates green for 6 red AP. He can easily be combined with two other green generators. Of course I haven’t tried this myself with maxed chars as I don’t have Ragnarok in the first place. LThor, GSBW and him could make a good team I think. He seems and is UP by himself but he is a utility char now similar to Loki.

You can see my roster in roster development thread or something like that.

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What about borrowing an ability from his good buddy Victor and just colour shift Tech Strike so that it affects green instead of blue? Useful for Loki (kinda) and completely tinykitties over any opposing green power icon_e_wink.gif